{"id":33698,"date":"2025-08-25T23:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-08-25T23:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=33698"},"modified":"2025-09-02T14:07:00","modified_gmt":"2025-09-02T14:07:00","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-third-perek-monday-night-shiur-elul-2-sugya-heating-food-on-shabbos-08-25-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-third-perek-monday-night-shiur-elul-2-sugya-heating-food-on-shabbos-08-25-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Third Perek &#8211; Monday night shiur, Elul 2 &#8211; Sugya: Heating food on Shabbos (08\/25\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarashabbosthirdperek08252025.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Halachic Conclusions:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>May one move a pot which is placed on the blech in an area which is not directly over the fire to a part of the blech which is directly over the fire?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is the entire blech considered a stovetop which is \u05d2\u05e8\u05d5\u05e3 \u05d5\u05e7\u05d8\u05d5\u05dd or is it considered just \u05e1\u05de\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05db\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bring a proof&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05d7&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d1 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05e1\u05d8 &amp; \u05e2 with the footnotes&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp; \u05d0\u05d2\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5&#8221;\u05d7 \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05d3 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e2\u05d3, \u05d1\u05d9\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d9\u05d1<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"747\" height=\"309\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image.png?resize=747%2C309&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-33700\" style=\"width:580px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image.png?w=747&amp;ssl=1 747w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image.png?resize=300%2C124&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 747px) 100vw, 747px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d7\u05d6\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d9\u05e9 \u05d0\u05d5&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8217; \u05dc&#8221;\u05d6 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"589\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-3.png?resize=1024%2C589&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-33703\" style=\"width:596px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-3.png?resize=1024%2C589&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-3.png?resize=300%2C172&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-3.png?resize=768%2C441&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-3.png?resize=800%2C460&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-3.png?w=1044&amp;ssl=1 1044w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"567\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-4.png?resize=1024%2C567&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-33704\" style=\"width:618px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-4.png?resize=1024%2C567&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-4.png?resize=300%2C166&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-4.png?resize=768%2C425&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-4.png?resize=800%2C443&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/image-4.png?w=1092&amp;ssl=1 1092w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05e8\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05db\u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05ea\u05d5 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05db\u05d4 &amp; \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e7\u05db\u05d5&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05d7&#8221;\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db\u05d5 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05de &amp; \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e0\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The prevalent practice is to use a blech on a stovetop which would serve as \u05e7\u05d8\u05d5\u05dd. What is the source that a sheet of metal would accomplish the same halachic status as placing ash on the coals?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d2 and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05e4\u05d0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=51\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=51<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In many electrical appliances the heating elements are covered by a sheet of metal like a crock pot which the walls of the crock pot covers the coils. Does one need to cover\/line the crock pot or is the sheet of metal\/ walls considered a blech?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6. &#8220;\u05d2\u05d1\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=26\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=26<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d0 &#8220;\u05dc\u05d9\u05ea\u05df \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=45\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=45<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e9\u05e9\u05db\u05d4&#8221;\u05dc \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05db\u05d8 &amp; \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e4\u05d1 (new print)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05d7&#8221;\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db\u05d5 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d9\u05d7 &amp; \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05db\u05d3&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Would aluminum foil which does not reduce the temperature be acceptable to be considered \u05e7\u05d8\u05d5\u05dd?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05d7&#8221;\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db\u05d5 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d9\u05d2 &amp; \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d9\u05d6-\u05d9\u05d7&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e9\u05e9\u05db\u05d4&#8221;\u05dc \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d0 \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1\u05d2 (new print)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If one leaves the aluminum foil on the electrical appliance from week to week. 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