{"id":33648,"date":"2025-08-18T23:23:00","date_gmt":"2025-08-18T23:23:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=33648"},"modified":"2025-08-19T17:26:33","modified_gmt":"2025-08-19T17:26:33","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-third-perek-monday-night-shiur-av-25-sugya-heating-food-on-shabbos-08-18-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-third-perek-monday-night-shiur-av-25-sugya-heating-food-on-shabbos-08-18-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Third Perek &#8211; Monday night shiur, Av 25 &#8211; Sugya: Heating food on Shabbos (08\/18\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarashabbosthirdperek08182025.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>How can one heat up cold solid food from the refrigerator on Shabbos morning?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d6 &amp; \u05d7&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=277\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=277<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05db\u05d5&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=155\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=155<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Major Questions:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How does the two opinions brought in \u05e1&#8217; \u05e9\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d6 &amp; \u05d7 fit with the ruling of the \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d2 &amp; \u05d4?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why does the Shulchan Aruch \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d4 permit one to place a cold pot of food on top of a pot on a fire but in \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d2 only permits \u05d7\u05d6\u05e8\u05d4?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d2<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=27\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=27<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There is a major dispute between the \u05d3\u05d2\u05d5\u05dc \u05de\u05e8\u05d1\u05d1\u05d4 and the \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd on how to explain the ruling of the \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da with major halachic ramifications.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d3\u05d2\u05d5\u05dc \u05de\u05e8\u05d1\u05d1\u05d4 on the \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=7631&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=32\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=7631&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=32<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05e9\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d2<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=163\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41248&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=163<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the halachic differences between the \u05d3\u05d2\u05d5\u05dc \u05de\u05e8\u05d1\u05d1\u05d4&nbsp; and the \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Whom do we rule in accordance with?&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d2 &#8220;\u05d5\u05d9\u05d6\u05d4\u05e8 \u05e9\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d9\u05e9\u05d9\u05dd&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=49\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=49<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is there another way to answer the difference in the Shulchan Aruch?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d4\u05e8\u05d1 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05db\u05d5 and \u05e7\u05d5\u05e0\u05d8\u05e8\u05e1 \u05d0\u05d7\u05e8\u05d5\u05df (on bottom) \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9 for a third explanation<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=25073&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=137\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=25073&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=137<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=25073&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=138\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=25073&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=138<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=25073&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=139\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=25073&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=139<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In Conclusion:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Many people have the practice of turning a pan upside down and placing cold fully cooked solid food from the refrigerator on top of the upside down pan on Shabbos morning?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is this permitted according to the \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05e8\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05db\u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05ea\u05d5 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3 &amp; \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e7\u05db\u05d5&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And see \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05d7&#8221;\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db\u05d5 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05dc\u05d3 &amp; \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05d7&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Question:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If one places a pan of food on top of a soup pot which is on the blech. 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