{"id":33397,"date":"2025-07-07T23:36:00","date_gmt":"2025-07-07T23:36:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=33397"},"modified":"2025-07-08T13:38:15","modified_gmt":"2025-07-08T13:38:15","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-third-perek-monday-night-shiur-tamuz-12-sugya-chazara-daf-38b-07-07-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-third-perek-monday-night-shiur-tamuz-12-sugya-chazara-daf-38b-07-07-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Third Perek &#8211; Monday  night shiur, Tamuz 12 &#8211; Sugya: Chazara Daf 38b (07\/07\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarashabbosthirdperek07072025.MP3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Halachic Conclusions of \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05d7\u05d6\u05e8\u05d4:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1 with \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=49\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=49<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and places it in the ground is it permitted to return it to the stovetop?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and does not have intent to return it to the fire but it is still in his hand. 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