{"id":33387,"date":"2025-07-02T23:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-07-02T23:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=33387"},"modified":"2025-07-03T23:36:55","modified_gmt":"2025-07-03T23:36:55","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-third-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-tamuz-7-sugya-chazara-daf-38b-07-02-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-third-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-tamuz-7-sugya-chazara-daf-38b-07-02-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Third Perek &#8211;  Wednesday night shiur, Tamuz 7 &#8211; Sugya: Chazara Daf 38b (07\/02\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarashabbosthirdperek07022025.MP3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Halachic Conclusions of \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05d7\u05d6\u05e8\u05d4:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In conclusion &#8211; Is it required to have the conditions of \u05e2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d9\u05d3\u05d5 and \u05d3\u05e2\u05ea\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d4\u05d7\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8&nbsp; in order to return pot on to a stovetop?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In the event that a pot was removed from the stovetop and placed on the ground with intent to return, may one return the pot to the fire?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05e0&#8221;\u05d5, \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d5\u05d3\u05e2\u05ea\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d4\u05d7\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8 and \u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e6\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05e0&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=49\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=49<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Continue learning the \u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Focus on the \u05d9\u05e9 \u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05e9\u05db\u05dc \u05d6\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d0\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8&nbsp; &#8211; the chidush of the \u05e8&#8221;\u05df from the \u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d9&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05e1\u05d2-\u05e1\u05d6<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Major Question:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why does the Mishna Berura not permit returning a pot to the fire when it was placed on the ground with intent to return as the Rema says was the accepted practice?&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Can we rely on the ruling of the \u05e8&#8221;\u05df in cases of \u05d1\u05d3\u05d9\u05e2\u05d1\u05d3 ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d7\u05d6\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d9\u05e9 \u05d0\u05d5&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8217; \u05dc&#8221;\u05d6 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d1<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05e8\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05db\u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05ea\u05d5 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05db\u05d0-\u05db\u05d1<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05db\u05d5 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05de\u05d4 with footnote \u05e1\u05d2<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is the requirement of \u05d3\u05e2\u05ea\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d4\u05d7\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8 to have specific intent to return or as long as do not have specific intent not to return.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the halacha if a pot slides off the blech on to the counter top, may it be returned to the blech?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If the electricity or fire goes out is it permitted to move the pot to a different fire?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d4\u05d2\u05d4\u05d5\u05ea \u05e8\u05e2&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e2\u05dc \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d5&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the reason if someone removes your pot from the fire on Shabbos and places it on the ground it is prohibited to return it to the stovetop?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to Rebbe Akiva Eiger what is the machlokes between Tosfos and the Rash whether it is permitted to return a pot to the stovetop that was removes from the fire without permission of the owner without intent to return it to the fire but it is still in his hand?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9 \u05e2\u05d6\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d4&#8217; \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d2 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d9 who asks a question on Rebbe Akiva Eiger&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Based on Rebbe Akiva Eiger what should be the halacha in the case a pot slides off the stovetop?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the point of disagreement between Rav Shach (\u05d0\u05d1\u05d9 \u05e2\u05d6\u05e8\u05d9) and Rebbe Akiva Eiger?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See letter in back of \u05e1\u05e4\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7\u05ea \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05d7&#8221;\u05d0 from Hagaon Rav Shmuel Auerbach zt&#8221;l for an answer to the question of Rav Shach.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Halachic Conclusions of \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05d7\u05d6\u05e8\u05d4: In conclusion &#8211; Is it required to have the conditions of \u05e2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d9\u05d3\u05d5 and \u05d3\u05e2\u05ea\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d4\u05d7\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8&nbsp; in order to return pot on to a stovetop? 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