{"id":33336,"date":"2025-06-16T23:46:00","date_gmt":"2025-06-16T23:46:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=33336"},"modified":"2025-06-17T03:47:23","modified_gmt":"2025-06-17T03:47:23","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-third-perek-monday-night-shiur-sivan-21-sugya-chazara-daf-38a-38b-06-16-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-third-perek-monday-night-shiur-sivan-21-sugya-chazara-daf-38a-38b-06-16-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Third Perek &#8211; Monday night shiur, Sivan 21 &#8211; Sugya Chazara &#8211; Daf 38a-38b (06\/16\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarashabbosthirdperek06162025.MP3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Very quickly review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d7: &#8220;\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d0\u05e9\u05d9 \u05e4\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05de\u05de\u05d9\u05d7\u05dd \u05dc\u05de\u05d9\u05d7\u05dd&nbsp; (line before the Mishna) until the Mishna&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the uncertainty in the case of \u05e4\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05de\u05de\u05d9\u05d7\u05dd \u05dc\u05de\u05d9\u05d7\u05dd (transferring the food to a different pot) whether it is permitted to return the second pot to the stove?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Clarify how the explanation of \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 &#8220;\u05e4\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 is different than \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05e4\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Major Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tosfos says there is a potential concern when one transfers hot food into a second pot that one might come to stoke the coals.&nbsp; How could there be a \u05d7\u05e9\u05e9 \u05e9\u05de\u05d0 \u05d9\u05d7\u05ea\u05d4 when we are dealing with a stove that is \u05d2\u05e8\u05d5\u05e3 \u05d5\u05e7\u05d8\u05d5\u05dd?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8&#8221;\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d0\u05e9\u05d9 for an additional two answers&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How are the two explanations of the Ran different than each other?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How are the two explanations of the Ran different than Tosfos?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the Ran what is the Halacha in regards to returning the second kettle to the fire. Is it permitted or prohibited?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Halachic Conclusion<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the halachik conclusion of \u05e4\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05de\u05de\u05d9\u05d7\u05dd \u05dc\u05de\u05d9\u05d7\u05dd ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>May one transfer the contents of a Crock-Pot into a second pot and return the second pot to the fire?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See beginning of \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05db<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=25\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=25<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And \u05d4&#8217; \u05e8\u05e2&#8221;\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d6<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is the note of Rebbe Akiva Eiger arguing on the Magen Avraham or explaining the Magen Avraham?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05e0\u05d4&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=49\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=49<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And \u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e6\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05de\u05d6<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Ran says if one returns the contents back to the original pot it is possibly prohibited to return the pot to the fire as it is considered he placed the pot on the ground when placing it into the second pot. 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