{"id":33209,"date":"2025-05-07T23:33:00","date_gmt":"2025-05-07T23:33:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=33209"},"modified":"2025-05-12T03:36:10","modified_gmt":"2025-05-12T03:36:10","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-third-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-iyar-10-daf-38b-05-07-25","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-shabbos-third-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-iyar-10-daf-38b-05-07-25\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Shabbos: Third Perek &#8211; Wednesday night shiur, Iyar 10 Daf 38b (05\/07\/25)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarashabbosthirdperek05072025.MP3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Halachic conclusion \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d4\u05d9\u05d9\u05d4<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we conclude lhalacha? Do we rule like Rabanan or like Chanania?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Complete learning the \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d2&#8217; \u05e1&#8217; \u05d0 who presents a lengthy discussion on the different opinions and how we conclude lhalacha.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=350\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=350<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=351\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=351<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=352\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=37953&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=352<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 first brings the ruling of the \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05e3 who rules like the Rabanan and all of the proofs of the \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05e3. (We went through most of those proofs when we learnt the&nbsp; \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05e3)&nbsp; &nbsp;The \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 then brings the opinion of \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 and the \u05e8&#8221;\u05d9 who rules like Chanania.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 then quotes the \u05d1\u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05de\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 who also rules like Chanania and refutes all the proofs of the \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05e3 (we learnt some of the refutations in the \u05e8&#8221;\u05df)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 then brings \u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d1\u05e8\u05e6\u05dc\u05d5\u05e0\u05d9 &amp; \u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea\u05d5\u05ea \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1 \u05d0\u05d7\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d2\u05d0\u05d5\u05df who rule like the \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05e3 and goes through each refutation of the \u05d1\u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05de\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 and explains why it is not a valid refutation.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In conclusion the \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 says &#8220;\u05d5\u05d1\u05e9\u05d1\u05d9\u05dc \u05e9\u05e8\u05d1\u05d5 \u05d3\u05e2\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05d4\u05d0\u05d9 \u05e4\u05d9\u05e1\u05e7\u05d0 &#8220;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 halachic conclusion? Does he rule like Chanania or really&nbsp; rules like the Rabanan just says one can not object&nbsp; to those who follow the ruling of Chanania?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05de\u05d1&#8221;\u05dd \u05d4&#8217; \u05e9\u05d1\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d2 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d3&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=16\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=16<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does the Rambam rule like the Rabanan or like Chanania?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we conclude lhalacha?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d0 which brings two opinions how to rule.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to which opinion does the \u05de\u05d7\u05d1\u05e8 conclude?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bring a proof&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn Mishna Berura&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is the \u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d0 concluding to like Chanania or saying that if one follows the accepted Minhag like Chanania it is Ok, but really should follow like Rabanan?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4\u05d2\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d4\u05e7\u05dc \u05db\u05e1\u05d1\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d7\u05e8\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 And \u05d4\u05d2\u05d4\u05d5\u05ea \u05d7\u05d6\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d9\u05e9 on the \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 who argue what is the ruling of the \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=45\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=45<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=46\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=46<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=47\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=47<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=48\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=48<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=49\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=49<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Halachic conclusion \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d4\u05d9\u05d9\u05d4 How do we conclude lhalacha? Do we rule like Rabanan or like Chanania? 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