{"id":32016,"date":"2024-07-01T23:15:00","date_gmt":"2024-07-01T23:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=32016"},"modified":"2024-07-02T15:24:11","modified_gmt":"2024-07-02T15:24:11","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fifth-perek-monday-night-shiur-sivan-26-daf-50b-07-01-24","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fifth-perek-monday-night-shiur-sivan-26-daf-50b-07-01-24\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara\u00a0Sukkah: Fifth Perek, &#8211; Monday night shiur, Sivan 26, Daf 50b (07\/01\/24)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfifthperek07012024.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Very quickly review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05e3 \u05de\u05e0\u05d0 \u05d0\u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d0\u00a0 until &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05ea \u05d0\u05d9\u05de\u05d0&#8221; (fourteen lines from bottom of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">When do we apply the rule of \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05d1\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Learn \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05df \u05e4\u05e1\u05d7 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d0 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d8\u05d6<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58963&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=247\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58963&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=247<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">And \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05ea\u05de\u05d9\u05d3\u05d9\u05df \u05d5\u05de\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05d9\u05df \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d4 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58963&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=167\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58963&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=167<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><strong>Major Question:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">There seems to be a contradiction in the Rambam that he says&nbsp;\u05e9\u05d1\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9&nbsp;&nbsp;is totally permitted and yet in regards to a \u05e9\u05d1\u05d5\u05ea \u05e8\u05d7\u05d5\u05e7\u05d4 it&#8217;s \u05d0\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Learn \u05e6\u05dc&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e4\u05e1\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05d4 for an answer<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Learn the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e4\u05d0&#8221; (bottom of the Amud) until \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0\u05d0. &#8220;\u05d5\u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d9\u05e8\u05de\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d0 (one third down the Amud)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">And continue learning&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;until &#8220;\u05de\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1\u05d9 &#8221; (middle of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0\u05d0. &#8220;\u05db\u05ea\u05e0\u05d0\u05d9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Clarify the two answers of Tosfos&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">This seems to contradict \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0: &#8220;\u05d5\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df who said the musical instruments were not played during the simchas Beis Hashoeva as due to the numerous instruments many would break frequently and would need to be fixed?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">See \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05e0\u05e8 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0\u05d0. \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e0\u05d0\u05d9 starting with paragraph &#8220;\u05d0\u05db\u05df&#8221;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=200\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=200<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Which explanation of the machlokes between \u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9 \u05d1\u05e8 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 and the \u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df does the \u05d9\u05d5\u05e8\u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d9 side with &#8211; \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05e3 or \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d9\u05e8\u05de\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d0 ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Learn \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d0&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=508\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=508<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">See&nbsp;the \u05e9\u05e4\u05ea \u05d0\u05de\u05ea<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Learn \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05e0\u05e8 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0\u05d0. &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e0\u05d0\u05d9 for a different explanation than the \u05e9\u05e4\u05ea \u05d0\u05de\u05ea and the \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d0&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=200\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=200<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">See \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 &#8220;\u05d4\u05db\u05d9 \u05d2\u05e8\u05e1\u05d9\u05e0\u05df&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">What is the reason why playing musical instruments are permitted? Is it because the mitzvah of Simcha for the Nisuch Hamayim is only drabanan or because it&#8217;s not part of the avodah?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\">Learn \u05d7\u05d9\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d9 \u05d2\u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d6 \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0 (last piece in the Sefer)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=508\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=508<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"\"><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=104\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60388&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=104<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Very quickly review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05e3 \u05de\u05e0\u05d0 \u05d0\u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d0\u00a0 until &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05ea \u05d0\u05d9\u05de\u05d0&#8221; (fourteen lines from bottom of the Amud) When do we apply the rule of \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05d1\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9? Learn \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-32016","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/32016","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=32016"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/32016\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":32020,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/32016\/revisions\/32020"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=32016"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=32016"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=32016"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}