{"id":31,"date":"2021-10-05T18:27:25","date_gmt":"2021-10-05T18:27:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=31"},"modified":"2021-10-05T18:27:25","modified_gmt":"2021-10-05T18:27:25","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-carrying-lulav-on-shabbos-daf-42a-10-05-21","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-carrying-lulav-on-shabbos-daf-42a-10-05-21\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul: Carrying Lulav on Shabbos: Daf 42A: (10\/05\/21)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rbbmshsukkah100521.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review the Gemara \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d0 \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d1 starting from the two dots on the last line of the Amud until &#8221; \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1. &#8220;\u05d5\u05d4\u05d0 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 (fourth line)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Major Question:<br>See Chidushei Rebbe Akiva Eiger who asks; The melacha of carrying on Shabbos needs three components &#8211; Akira, Hotzoa Mreshus lreshus, and Hanacha. At the moment of the Akira the person had not yet performed the mitzvah of daled minim so that segment even if he fulfilled the mitzvah before carrying them out of the house the person should still be exempt from the korban as the he was involved in the mitzvah at the time of the akira?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05e9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1 (first half &#8211; until the brackets) who answers Rebbe Akiva Eiger question with a major chidush as to the minimum act required to fulfill the mitzvah of Daled Minim.<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=514<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Question:<br>What&#8217;s the minimum action necessary to fulfill the Mitzvah of Daled Minim?<br>See \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05e9\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1\u05d5\u05e3 \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0\u05d2<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41247&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=348<br>The \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d6 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d5<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58958&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=283<br>And \u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d4 \u05d3\u05d9\u05d5\u05e7 \u05d1\u05dc\u05e9\u05d5\u05df \u05d4\u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05dd<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14268&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=584<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A bracha for a mitzvah should be recited immediately prior to performing the mitzvah<br>What is the proper time to make the bracha on the Daled Minim?<br>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d8.&#8221;\u05e2\u05d5\u05d1\u05e8 who presents three options when to recite the bracha on the Daled Minim \u05e2\u05d5\u05d1\u05e8 \u05dc\u05e2\u05e9\u05d9\u05d9\u05ea\u05df<br>And \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05dc\u05d2<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=39&amp;format=pdf<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Halachik Conclusion:<br>What do we conclude L&#8217;Halacha as to when is the proper time to recite the bracha on the Daled Minim \u05e2\u05d5\u05d1\u05e8 \u05dc\u05e2\u05e9\u05d9\u05d9\u05ea\u05df?<br>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d4 which presents two options.<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=395<br>See the \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d1 for a new option not mentioned in Tosfos<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=396<br>See \u05d1&#8217; \u05d4\u05d2\u05e8&#8221;\u05d0 who says the two options mentioned in the Shulchan Aruch are not necessary.<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=396<br>Questions:<br>What is the basis of the Gra?<br>See \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05e4\u05e1\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d6 \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d1 &#8220;\u05de\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e2\u05d5\u05e9\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 (ten lines from the top of the Amud) until \u05d5\u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05ea\u05d0<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=4&amp;daf=7b&amp;format=pdf<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why does the Shulchan Aruch omit the option of negative intent (the third option that Tosfos presented)?<br>See the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 and \u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e6\u05d9\u05d5\u05df<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=251<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Question:<br>If person forgot to make a bracha on a mitzvah can he make the bracha afterwards?<br>Learn \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d0 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d4-\u05d6<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58957&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=302<br>And \u05d4\u05d2\u05d4\u05d5\u05ea \u05d0\u05e9\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d0 \u05e1&#8217; 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