{"id":30909,"date":"2023-12-06T22:05:00","date_gmt":"2023-12-06T22:05:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=30909"},"modified":"2023-12-11T17:48:17","modified_gmt":"2023-12-11T17:48:17","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-kislev-22-daf-46b-12-04-23-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-kislev-22-daf-46b-12-04-23-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara\u00a0Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Wednesday night shiur, Kislev 24, Daf 46b (12\/06\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek12042023-1.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Very quickly review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d5: &#8220;\u05de\u05d9\u05d3 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7\u05d5\u05ea (two dots, six lines from top of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05e8 \u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d0&#8221;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We discussed how the Ran&nbsp;answered the following questions&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1. Why are Daled Minim \u05dc\u05d0 \u05d7\u05d6\u05d9 \u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05d4\u05e9\u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05ea?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ran<\/strong>&nbsp;&#8211; one would not shake the Daled Minim during Bein Hashmashos between the seventh and eighth day of Sukkos as starting from day two they are a Mitzvah Drabanan and the rule is \u05e1\u05e4\u05e7 \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df \u05dc\u05e7\u05d5\u05dc\u05d0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2. Why according to \u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05d5\u05d7\u05e0\u05df are Daled Minim&nbsp; Muktzah the entire seventh day?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ran<\/strong>&nbsp;&#8211; The mind frame of a person is to designate them for the entire seventh day as the mitzvah can be performed any time of the day.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>3. Does the Muktzah status of the Daled Minim of the seventh day extend into Bein Hashmashos? Why or why not?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ran<\/strong>&nbsp;&#8211; no as one would not take the Daled Minim during Bein Hashmashos as explained above.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(See \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d5: \u05d0&#8221;\u05e8 \u05d9\u05d5\u05d7\u05e0\u05df (first explanation) for a more elaborate explanation of the gemara according to the reasoning of the Ran.&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sefaria.org\/Ritva_on_Sukkah.46b.1?vhe=Chiddushei_HaRashba,_Sheva_Shitot,_Warsaw,_1883.&amp;lang=bi\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/www.sefaria.org\/Ritva_on_Sukkah.46b.1?vhe=Chiddushei_HaRashba,_Sheva_Shitot,_Warsaw,_1883.&amp;lang=bi<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9: &#8220;\u05e2\u05d3 until &#8220;\u05d5\u05de\u05d4\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d8\u05e2\u05de\u05d0&#8221; and skip to &#8220;\u05d5\u05db\u05dc \u05d4\u05e0\u05d9 \u05dc\u05d0 \u05d3\u05de\u05d9 until &#8220;\u05d5\u05de\u05d0\u05df \u05d3\u05d0\u05e1\u05e8 who gives an entirely different approach to the Gemara different than the Ran.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=10b&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=10b&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How does Tosfos answer the three questions above?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On what points does the Ran argue with Tosfos?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is a \u05e0\u05e4\u05e7\u05d0 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 between Tosfos and the Ran?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Continue learning the Gemara from &#8220;\u05d5\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9&#8221;&nbsp;until &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05e8 \u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d9\u05e7\u05e0\u05d9 &#8220;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why does \u05dc\u05d5\u05d9 hold that the Daled Minim are Muktzah the entire eighth day as well?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d5: &#8220;\u05d0\u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05d2 \u05d0\u05e4\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d1\u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9: &#8220;\u05e2\u05d3 starting from &#8220;\u05d5\u05de\u05d0\u05df \u05d3\u05d0\u05e1\u05e8 (twelve lines before the wide lines of Tosfos) until \u05d5\u05de\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5 (last word before the wide lines)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d5: &#8220;\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9 who gives three possible explanations&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sefaria.org\/Ritva_on_Sukkah.46b.1?vhe=Chiddushei_HaRashba,_Sheva_Shitot,_Warsaw,_1883.&amp;lang=bi\">https:\/\/www.sefaria.org\/Ritva_on_Sukkah.46b.1?vhe=Chiddushei_HaRashba,_Sheva_Shitot,_Warsaw,_1883.&amp;lang=bi<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Very quickly review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d5: &#8220;\u05de\u05d9\u05d3 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7\u05d5\u05ea (two dots, six lines from top of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05e8 \u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d0&#8221;&nbsp; We discussed how the Ran&nbsp;answered the following questions&nbsp; Questions: 1. 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