{"id":30163,"date":"2023-08-28T22:56:00","date_gmt":"2023-08-28T22:56:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=30163"},"modified":"2023-08-29T02:58:07","modified_gmt":"2023-08-29T02:58:07","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-elul-12-daf-45a-08-28-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-elul-12-daf-45a-08-28-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Monday night shiur, Elul 12 Daf 45a (08\/28\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek08282023-1.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Based on the last line of the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d4. &#8220;\u05de\u05d9\u05d3 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7\u05d5\u05ea<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Major Question:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why is person exempt from damaging in course of simcha when there is a rule \u05d0\u05d3\u05dd \u05de\u05d5\u05e2\u05d3 \u05dc\u05e2\u05d5\u05dc\u05dd &#8211; person is always responsible for damage?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e4\u05de&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d6 \u05de\u05d5\u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05df&nbsp; &amp; \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d7 \u05e4\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d5\u05e0\u05e1 \u05e7\u05e6\u05ea<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41247&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=363\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41247&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=363<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And see \u05d3\u05e8\u05db\u05d9 \u05de\u05e9\u05d4 &amp; \u05d1&#8221;\u05d7 for a different reason&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14270&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=560\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14270&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=560<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Halachic Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Based on the exemption of&nbsp;Rashi &amp; Tosfos for damages in the course of activities of simcha &#8211;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Can one engage in a sport which is liable to cause injury to the opponent?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is the player exempt from payment for damages he caused?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d7\u05d5\u05e9\u05df \u05de\u05e9\u05e4\u05d8 \u05e1\u05d9\u05de\u05df \u05ea\u05db&#8221;\u05d0 who quotes the \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 which discusses someone got injured during a wrestling match.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14270&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=628\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14270&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=628<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9 seems to give a few reasons why he rules the person is exempt from paying for damages.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the bottom line reason?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05e3<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d7\u05d5\u05e9\u05df \u05de\u05e9\u05e4\u05d8 \u05e1\u05d9\u05de\u05df \u05ea\u05db&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=9733&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=471\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=9733&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=471<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And \u05e1\u05de&#8221;\u05e2 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is there a violation to hurt someone even if the individual forgives the payment for the damage?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d7\u05d5\u05d1\u05dc \u05de\u05d6\u05d9\u05e7 \u05d4, \u05d0&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>and \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05ea \u05d7\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05da \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 \u05de\u05d7 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d2<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d4 from after the Mishna until &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d4\u05d5 (four lines from bottom of the Amud)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05df\u05e1&#8217; 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