{"id":30120,"date":"2023-08-21T22:38:00","date_gmt":"2023-08-21T22:38:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=30120"},"modified":"2023-08-22T02:38:42","modified_gmt":"2023-08-22T02:38:42","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-elul-5-daf-45a-08-21-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-elul-5-daf-45a-08-21-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Monday night shiur, Elul 5 Daf 45a (08\/21\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek08212023.mp3\"><\/audio><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d6\u05d5\u05e7\u05e4\u05d9\u05df<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d6 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05db\u05d1 &amp; \u05db\u05d2 which says the order was opposite of Tosfos&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=288\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=288<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Major Question:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Rambam rules \u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e0\u05d8\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 so how could they Rambam say the Kohanim circled the Mizbeach with Lulavim in their hands?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05e0\u05e8 on Tosfos<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=175\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=175<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d0\u05e0\u05d9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rashi gives two explanations to the words \u05d0\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d5\u05d4\u05d5&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to Rashi&#8217;s first explanation, it is the gematria of \u05d0\u05e0\u05d0 \u05d4. Why are we saying words in code and not directly?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the second explanation of Rashi the \u05e9\u05dd of \u05d5\u05d4\u05d5 should be first as it&#8217;s the first one encrypted in the pasuk and \u05d0\u05e0\u05d9 should be second?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why did they circle the Mizbeach? Why on Hoshana Rabbah did they circle seven times?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e4\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9 \u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05dd for a fourth explanation.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=487\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=487<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the meaning of &#8220;\u05de\u05d9\u05d3 \u05ea\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05e7\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05d8\u05d9\u05df \u05d0\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1\u05d9\u05d4\u05df \u05d5\u05d0\u05d5\u05db\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u05d0\u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05d2\u05d9\u05d4\u05df<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rashi explains the adults would grab the Lulavim and Esrogim from the hands of the children.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why is this not a violation of stealing?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rashi says because this was done in the spirit of simcha.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How does the spirit of simcha absolve one from the violation of stealing?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05de\u05d9\u05d3&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Who applies this leniency to other scenarios in which damage occurs while engaged in activities in the spirit of simcha.&nbsp; and offers an alternate explanation in the Mishna.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e6&#8221;\u05d4 \u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05d5\u05e3 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1 &#8220;\u05d5\u05d9&#8221;\u05d0 \u05d3\u05d0\u05dd \u05d4\u05d6\u05d9\u05e7&nbsp;and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d2 &amp; \u05d9\u05d3<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=326\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=326<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e6&#8221;\u05d5 \u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d7&nbsp; and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc \u2013 \u05dc\u05d1<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=330\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=330<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does this exemption apply also to human injury besides momentary damage?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05e8\u05d3\u05db\u05d9 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e9\u05de\u05d1- \u05d2 (in back of the Gemara)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05de\u05ea \u05d4\u05d3\u05e9\u05df \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8&#8221;\u05d9 \u05de\u05d6\u05d9\u05e7 \u05d7\u05d1\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5 \u05d1\u05e9\u05e2\u05ea \u05d4\u05e7\u05e4\u05d5\u05ea<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=1835&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=192&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=1835&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=192&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de&#8221;\u05d0 \u05ea\u05e8\u05e6\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d6 &#8220;\u05d3\u05d5\u05d5\u05e7\u05d0 \u05de\u05de\u05d5\u05df<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=440\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=440<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And \u05dc\u05d1\u05d5\u05e9\u05d9 \u05e9\u05e8\u05d3 &amp; \u05de\u05d7\u05e6\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05e9\u05e7\u05dc&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why is person exempt from damaging in course of simcha when there is a rule&nbsp; \u05d0\u05d3\u05dd \u05de\u05d5\u05e2\u05d3 \u05dc\u05e2\u05d5\u05dc\u05dd &#8211; person is always responsible for damage?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e4\u05de&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d6 \u05de\u05d5\u05d7\u05dc\u05d9\u05df&nbsp; &amp; \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d7 \u05e4\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d5\u05e0\u05e1 \u05e7\u05e6\u05ea<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d7\u05d5&#8221;\u05de \u05e9\u05e2&#8221;\u05d7 \u05de\u05d1\u05d5\u05d0\u05e8 \u05e4\u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d2\u05dd \u05de\u05d6\u05d9\u05e7 \u05d2\u05d5\u05e3 \u05d0\u05d3\u05dd<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And see \u05d3\u05e8\u05db\u05d9 \u05de\u05e9\u05d4 &amp; \u05d1&#8221;\u05d7 for a different reason&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Learn the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d4 Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d6\u05d5\u05e7\u05e4\u05d9\u05df See \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d6 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05db\u05d1 &amp; 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