{"id":29998,"date":"2023-07-24T22:59:00","date_gmt":"2023-07-24T22:59:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29998"},"modified":"2023-07-25T02:58:48","modified_gmt":"2023-07-25T02:58:48","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-av-7-daf-44b-07-24-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-av-7-daf-44b-07-24-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Monday night shiur, Av 7 Daf 44b (07\/24\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek07242023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d9\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5&nbsp;until next &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d9\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d0 on the \u05d2\u05d9\u05e8\u05e1\u05d0 of the&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=505\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=505<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05e9\u05dc\u05e9\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is Tosfos giving a different explanation than Rashi? 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