{"id":29979,"date":"2023-07-19T23:09:00","date_gmt":"2023-07-19T23:09:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29979"},"modified":"2023-07-25T02:59:06","modified_gmt":"2023-07-25T02:59:06","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-av-2-daf-44b-07-19-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-av-2-daf-44b-07-19-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Wednesday night shiur, Av 2 Daf 44b (07\/19\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek07192023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The Gemara concluded with the answer \u05db\u05d0\u05df \u05d1\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 \u05db\u05d0\u05df \u05d1\u05d2\u05d1\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Major Question:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Gemara on \u05de\u05d3 says that the taking of Aravos on Hoshana Rabbah is \u05d6\u05db\u05e8 \u05dc\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But the gemara now says it was a either a \u05d9\u05e1\u05d5\u05d3 and \u05de\u05e0\u05d4\u05d2 \u05e0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d9\u05dd?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d7\u05e0\u05e0\u05d0\u05dc (on side of the Gemara) for a different explanation than Rashi<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d6 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05db\u05d0-\u05db\u05d1 and \u05de\u05d2\u05d9\u05d3 \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Major Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Rambam says the mitzvah of Aravah we take on Hoshana Rabbah is both \u05d6\u05db\u05e8 \u05dc\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 and \u05de\u05e0\u05d4\u05d2 \u05e0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d9\u05dd.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How could it be both?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What compelled the Rambam to give this explanation?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Rambam seems to offer an entirely new reason than the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05d3 as to why the mitzvah of Aravah is only one day \u05d6\u05db\u05e8 \u05dc\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05e0\u05e8 for an explanation for the Rambam<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=171\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=171<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Can we offer a different explanation for the Rambam based on the conclusion of the Gemara of \u05db\u05d0\u05df \u05d1\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 \u05db\u05d0\u05df \u05d1\u05d2\u05d1\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to \u05d0\u05d1\u05d0 \u05e9\u05d0\u05d5\u05dc the mitzvah of Aravah in the Beis Hamikdash is learnt from the words \u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05e0\u05d7\u05dc<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05d7\u05ea who asks where in the pasuk is it indicated that it&#8217;s limited to Beis Hamikdash?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14724&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=60\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14724&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=60<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05e0\u05e8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=125\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=125<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3: &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05e8 \u05d0\u05de\u05d9 \u05e2\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05e6\u05e8\u05d9\u05db\u05d4 \u05e9\u05d9\u05e2\u05d5\u05e8 (top line) until &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d9\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5&#8221;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d0 on the \u05d2\u05d9\u05e8\u05e1\u05d0 of the&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=505\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=505<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05e9\u05dc\u05e9\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is Tosfos giving a different explanation than Rashi? 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