{"id":29953,"date":"2023-07-17T23:16:00","date_gmt":"2023-07-17T23:16:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29953"},"modified":"2023-07-18T03:16:55","modified_gmt":"2023-07-18T03:16:55","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-tamuz-29-daf-44a-44b-07-17-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-tamuz-29-daf-44a-44b-07-17-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Monday night shiur, Tamuz 29, Daf 44a-44b (07\/17\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek07172023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Very quickly review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05d5\u05d7\u05e0\u05df \u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05d1&#8221;\u05dc (eleven lines from bottom of the Amud)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05ea\u05de\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d8\u05d6. &#8220;\u05d2\u05d5\u05e4\u05d0 \u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 (three lines from top of the Amud until the wide lines)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=34&amp;daf=16&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=34&amp;daf=16&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How could \u05e8&#8217; \u05d0\u05d1\u05d4\u05d5 answer the contradiction of whether Aravah is a \u05d9\u05e1\u05d5\u05d3 \u05e0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d9\u05dd or \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05dc\u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05de\u05e1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9 when the Gemara Temura clearly says one can not ask through prophecy to be taught forgotten halachos?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05e0\u05e8 \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d5\u05d7\u05d6\u05e8\u05d5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=171\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=171<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d7\u05d9\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d9 \u05d2\u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d6 \u05e2\u05dc \u05d9\u05d5\u05de\u05d0 page 26-27 who says a novel difference between a \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05dc\u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05de\u05e1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9 and one that was forgotten and restored by \u05e2\u05ea\u05e0\u05d9\u05d0\u05dc \u05d1\u05df \u05e7\u05e0\u05d6 or other Chachamim&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d7\u05d9\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d9 \u05d2\u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d6 \u05ea\u05de\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d8\u05d6 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1 who explains a difference between \u05ea\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d0\u05d5 \u05d1\u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05dd and \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05d4\u05e0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0 \u05e8\u05e9\u05d0\u05d9 \u05dc\u05d7\u05d3\u05e9 \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Note: The difference between \u05d9\u05e1\u05d5\u05d3 and \u05de\u05e0\u05d4\u05d2 \u05e0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d9\u05dd that Rashi gives.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Gemara concludes \u05db\u05d0\u05df \u05d1\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 \u05db\u05d0\u05df \u05d1\u05d2\u05d1\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See how Rashi explains this answer<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to Rashi the \u05e0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d9\u05dd set up the taking of Aravos outside the Beis Hamikdash.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Was this for all seven days of Sukkos or just the last day &#8211; 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