{"id":29882,"date":"2023-07-03T23:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-07-03T23:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29882"},"modified":"2023-07-05T23:40:21","modified_gmt":"2023-07-05T23:40:21","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-tamuz-15-daf-43b-44a-07-03-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-tamuz-15-daf-43b-44a-07-03-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Monday night shiur, Tamuz 15, Daf 43b-44a (07\/03\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek07032023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Very quickly review&nbsp; &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05dc\u05d0&nbsp;\u05dc\u05d9\u05d3\u05d7\u05d5 (three lines from bottom of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (seven lines from the top of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why does there need to be a uniform practice both in chutz laaretz and Eretz Yisrael?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05dc\u05d3\u05d9\u05d3\u05d4\u05d5 who explains because the prohibition of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5 &#8211; having groups performing mitzvos differently as it gives the appearance of two religions.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d9\u05d1\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d2:-\u05d9\u05d3 states that \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5 is only an issue according to \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 when there are different practices in one city and according to \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 even in one city it is acceptable if there are two different ruling courts (\u05e9\u05ea\u05d9 \u05d1\u05ea\u05d9 \u05d3\u05d9\u05df) which explains how on Purim there are different days for reading the Megillah (see \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05e9\u05dd &#8220;\u05db\u05d9 &amp; \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d8)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So how could Rashi say there is an issue of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5 to have chutz laaretz have different practice than Eretz Yisrael when they are two different regions?&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Major Questions:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the&nbsp;Gemara, only after the destruction of the Beis Hamikdash did they institute a universal rule regarding taking Hoshanos on Hashanah Rabbah that coincides with Shabbos.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>During the time of the Beis Hamikdash why was this not an issue of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What changed after the destruction of the beis hamikdash that created an issue of people in chutz laaretz doing things differently than the Jews in Eretz Yisrael?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why isn&#8217;t the keeping of a second day of Yom tov in chutz laaretz an issue of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05de\u05d1&#8221;\u05dd \u05d4&#8217; \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d6 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d6 and the \u05dc\u05d7\u05dd \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2. &#8221; \u05d5\u05e9\u05d0\u05dc \u05d1\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d9\u05d9 \u05d1\u05e7\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e2\u05d0 \u05d3\u05d9\u05e8\u05d7\u05d0&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=116\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=116<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05e0\u05e8 \u05d9\u05d1\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d3&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Continue learning the Gemara &#8220;\u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (seven lines from the top of the Amud) until \u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d6\u05d1\u05d9\u05d3<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What&#8217;s the final answer of the Gemara as to why Aravos (Hoshanos) are only taken one day \u05d6\u05db\u05e8 \u05dc\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 even though in the Beis Hamikdash aravos were taken all seven days of Sukkos?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 &#8220;\u05de\u05d0\u05d9 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d0&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sefaria.org\/Ritva_on_Sukkah.44a.1?lang=bi\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/www.sefaria.org\/Ritva_on_Sukkah.44a.1?lang=bi<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d6 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d9&#8221;\u05d6-\u05d9&#8221;\u05d7&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05d7\u05ea<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Very quickly review&nbsp; &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05dc\u05d0&nbsp;\u05dc\u05d9\u05d3\u05d7\u05d5 (three lines from bottom of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (seven lines from the top of the Amud) Questions: Why does there need to be a&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-29882","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29882","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=29882"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29882\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":29883,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29882\/revisions\/29883"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=29882"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=29882"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=29882"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}