{"id":29863,"date":"2023-06-28T22:56:00","date_gmt":"2023-06-28T22:56:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29863"},"modified":"2023-06-29T19:00:07","modified_gmt":"2023-06-29T19:00:07","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-tamuz-10-daf-43b-44a-06-28-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-tamuz-10-daf-43b-44a-06-28-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Wednesday night shiur, Tamuz 10, Daf 43b-44a (06\/28\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek06282023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (middle of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (seven lines from the top of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What changed after the destruction of the beis hamikdash that created an issue of people in chutz laaretz doing things differently than the Jews in Eretz Yisrael?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rashi &#8220;\u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05dc\u05d3\u05d9\u05d3\u05d4\u05d5 says this is an issue of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5 but the&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;Yevomas clearly states that \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5&nbsp;is only an issue when there are different practices in one city?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05d7\u05ea<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why does there need to be a uniform practice both in chutz laaretz and Eretz Yisrael?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05dc\u05d3\u05d9\u05d3\u05d4\u05d5 who explains because the prohibition of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5 &#8211; having groups performing mitzvos differently as it gives the appearance of two religions.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d9\u05d1\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d2:-\u05d9\u05d3 states that \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5 is only an issue according to \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 when there are different practices in one city and according to \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 even in one city it is acceptable if there are two different ruling courts (\u05e9\u05ea\u05d9 \u05d1\u05ea\u05d9 \u05d3\u05d9\u05df) which explains how on Purim there are different days for reading the Megillah (see \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05e9\u05dd &#8220;\u05db\u05d9 &amp; \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d8)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So how could Rashi say there is an issue of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5 to have chutz laaretz have different practice than Eretz Yisrael when they are two different regions?&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the&nbsp;Gemara, only after the destruction of the Beis Hamikdash did they institute a universal rule regarding taking Hoshanos on Hashanah Rabbah that coincides with Shabbos.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>During the time of the Beis Hamikdash why was this not an issue of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What changed after the destruction of the beis hamikdash that created an issue of people in chutz laaretz doing things differently than the Jews in Eretz Yisrael?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2. &#8221; \u05d5\u05e9\u05d0\u05dc \u05d1\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d9\u05d9 \u05d1\u05e7\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e2\u05d0 \u05d3\u05d9\u05e8\u05d7\u05d0&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=116\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=116<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why isn&#8217;t the keeping of a second day of Yom tov in chutz laaretz an issue of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Learn the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (middle of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (seven lines from the top of the Amud) Questions: What changed after the destruction of the beis hamikdash that&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-29863","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29863","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=29863"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29863\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":29864,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29863\/revisions\/29864"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=29863"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=29863"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=29863"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}