{"id":29847,"date":"2023-06-26T22:28:00","date_gmt":"2023-06-26T22:28:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29847"},"modified":"2023-06-27T02:27:44","modified_gmt":"2023-06-27T02:27:44","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-tamuz-8-daf-43b-44a-06-26-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-tamuz-8-daf-43b-44a-06-26-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Monday night shiur, Tamuz 8, Daf 43b-44a (06\/26\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek06262023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Very quickly review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d4\u05db\u05d9&nbsp; (thirteen lines from top of the Amud) until \u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (middle of the Amud)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the opinion that taking&nbsp;Aravah&nbsp;post churban is just a minhag and not even a mitzvah from the Rabanan why would one have permission to handle the Aravos on Shabbos as they are muktzah?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 &#8220;\u05d5\u05e4\u05e8\u05db\u05d9\u05e0\u05df \u05d0\u05d9 \u05d4\u05db\u05d9 for an answer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;answers &#8220;Because we are not experts to calculate the precise day of Yom Tov that&#8217;s why we can&#8217;t take aravos on Hoshana Rabbah that coincides with Shabbos.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What&#8217;s the major concern even if hoshana Rabbah is really the sixth day of Sukkos there is no issue with taking the&nbsp;Aravah&nbsp;as the&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;said in essence one should be permitted to take&nbsp;Aravah&nbsp;every day of Sukkos to publicize that it&#8217;s a mitzvah from the Torah just we don&#8217;t to prevent people from treating the mitzvah of&nbsp;Lulav&nbsp;lightly?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d9\u05e7\u05dc\u05e2<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (middle of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (seven lines from the top of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What changed after the destruction of the beis hamikdash that created an issue of people in chutz laaretz doing things differently than the Jews in Eretz Yisrael?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rashi &#8220;\u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05dc\u05d3\u05d9\u05d3\u05d4\u05d5 says this is an issue of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5 but the&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;Yevomas clearly states that \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5&nbsp;is only an issue when there are different practices in one city?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05d7\u05ea<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why does there need to be a uniform practice both in chutz laaretz and Eretz Yisrael?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05dc\u05d3\u05d9\u05d3\u05d4\u05d5 who explains because the prohibition of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5 &#8211; having groups performing mitzvos differently as it gives the appearance of two religions.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d9\u05d1\u05de\u05d5\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d2:-\u05d9\u05d3 states that \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5 is only an issue according to \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 when there are different practices in one city and according to \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 even in one city it is acceptable if there are two different ruling courts (\u05e9\u05ea\u05d9 \u05d1\u05ea\u05d9 \u05d3\u05d9\u05df) which explains how on Purim there are different days for reading the Megilah (see \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05e9\u05dd &#8220;\u05db\u05d9 &amp; \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d8)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So how could Rashi say there is an issue of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5 to have chutz laaretz have different practice than Eretz Yisrael when they are two different regions?&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;only after the destruction of the Beis Hamikdash did they institute a universal rule regarding taking Hoshanos on Hashanah Rabbah that coincides with Shabbos.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>During the time of the Beis Hamikdash why was this not an issue of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What changed after the destruction of the beis hamikdash that created an issue of people in chutz laaretz doing things differently than the Jews in Eretz Yisrael?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2. &#8221; \u05d5\u05e9\u05d0\u05dc \u05d1\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d3\u05d9\u05d9 \u05d1\u05e7\u05d9\u05d1\u05d5\u05e2\u05d0 \u05d3\u05d9\u05e8\u05d7\u05d0&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=116\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=116<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why isn&#8217;t the keeping of a second day of Yom tov in chutz laaretz an issue of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Very quickly review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d4\u05db\u05d9&nbsp; (thirteen lines from top of the Amud) until \u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (middle of the Amud)&nbsp; Questions: According to the opinion that taking&nbsp;Aravah&nbsp;post churban is just a minhag&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-29847","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29847","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=29847"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29847\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":29848,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29847\/revisions\/29848"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=29847"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=29847"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=29847"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}