{"id":29829,"date":"2023-06-21T23:28:00","date_gmt":"2023-06-21T23:28:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29829"},"modified":"2023-06-22T03:27:39","modified_gmt":"2023-06-22T03:27:39","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-tamuz-3-daf-43b-06-21-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-tamuz-3-daf-43b-06-21-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Wednesday night shiur, Tamuz 3, Daf 43b (06\/21\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek06212023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Very quickly review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d4\u05db\u05d9&nbsp; (thirteen lines from top of the Amud) until \u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (middle of the Amud)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1 &#8220;\u05e9\u05dc\u05d5\u05d7\u05d9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 and see how he gives a different explanation than Tosfos as to why the&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;assumes that post Churban Beis Hamikdash there should be no concern of \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 when taking the&nbsp;Aravah&nbsp;on Hoshana Rabbah when it coincides Shabbos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Note the difference in explanation between Rashi and the \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d4\u05db\u05d9 \u05db\u05dc&nbsp; regarding &#8220;\u05d0\u05ea\u05d9 \u05dc\u05e4\u05e7\u05e4\u05d5\u05e7\u05d9 \u05d1\u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1&#8221;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the opinion that taking&nbsp;Aravah&nbsp;post churban is just a minhag and not even a mitzvah from the Rabanan why would one have permission to handle the Aravos on Shabbos as they are muktzah?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 &#8220;\u05d5\u05e4\u05e8\u05db\u05d9\u05e0\u05df \u05d0\u05d9 \u05d4\u05db\u05d9 for an answer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;answers &#8220;Because we are not experts to calculate the precise day of Yom Tov that&#8217;s why we can&#8217;t take aravos on Hoshana Rabbah that coincides with Shabbos.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What&#8217;s the major concern even if hoshana Rabbah is really the sixth day of Sukkos there is no issue with taking the&nbsp;Aravah&nbsp;as the&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;said in essence one should be permitted to take&nbsp;Aravah&nbsp;every day of Sukkos to publicize that it&#8217;s a mitzvah from the Torah just we don&#8217;t to prevent people from treating the mitzvah of&nbsp;Lulav&nbsp;lightly?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05dc\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d9\u05e7\u05dc\u05e2<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (middle of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d3. &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (seven lines from the top of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d4\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What changed after the destruction of the beis hamikdash that created an issue of people in chutz laaretz doing things differently than the Jews in Eretz Yisrael?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rashi says this is an issue of \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05ea\u05d2\u05d5\u05d3\u05d3\u05d5 but the&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;Yevomas clearly states that it is only an issue when there are different practices in one city?&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Very quickly review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d4\u05db\u05d9&nbsp; (thirteen lines from top of the Amud) until \u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d1\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 (middle of the Amud)&nbsp; Review \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1 &#8220;\u05e9\u05dc\u05d5\u05d7\u05d9 Learn the \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 and see how he gives a&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-29829","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29829","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=29829"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29829\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":29830,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29829\/revisions\/29830"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=29829"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=29829"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=29829"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}