{"id":29736,"date":"2023-06-07T23:15:00","date_gmt":"2023-06-07T23:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29736"},"modified":"2023-06-13T03:20:45","modified_gmt":"2023-06-13T03:20:45","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-sivan-19-daf-43a-06-07-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-sivan-19-daf-43a-06-07-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek,\u00a0Wednesday\u00a0night shiur, Sivan 19, Daf 43a (06\/07\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek06072023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Topic:\u00a0<\/strong>The mitzvah of Daled Minim in Beis Hamikdash and the rest of the world.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2. &#8220;\u05d3\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d2\u05d1\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df (fifteen lines from top of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d5\u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05d2\u05d5\u05e4\u05d0 \u05de\u05e0\u05dc\u05df&#8221; (thirteen lines from bottom of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Question on &#8220;\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 &#8220;\u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why should the fact that the Mitzvah of Daled Minim on the second &#8211; seventh day of Sukkos is only in the Beis Hamikdash be a reason that the Rabanan should allow a gezeira to not perform the Mitzvah?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn&nbsp;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d4\u05d0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Chakirah<\/strong>: Is the mitzvah of Daled Minim all seven days of Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash &#8211; an extension of the Mitzvah of Daled Minim of the first day obligation everywhere or an independent mitzvah?&nbsp;Think of&nbsp;a \u05e0\u05e4\u05e7\u05d0 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 between the two options&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d1\u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05de\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d4\u05db\u05d9 (first one on fourth Perek)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=624\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=624<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Note: how the \u05d1\u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05de\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 explains different than \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d4\u05d0 and avoids the major question we asked on Tosfos&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How could Tosfos suggest limiting the Daled Minim for the seven days of Sukkos which coincide with Shabbos to one&#8217;s home?&nbsp; The only mitzvah for the rest of Sukkos is in the Beis Hamikdash?&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e2\u05de\u05e7 \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d4 \u05d4&#8217; \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d0 &#8220;\u05d5\u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05de\u05d2 for an answer<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bring a proof to the chakirah&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1. from the Gemara&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2. from &#8220;\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 &#8220;\u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05ea \u05d7\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05da \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 \u05e9\u05db\u05d3 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14092&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=164\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14092&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=164<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e2\u05de\u05e7 \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d4 \u05d4&#8217; \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d0&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>: Are the disqualifications of the Daled Minim in the Beis Hamikdash all seven days the same as those of the first day of Sukkos?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There is an argument between Tosfos and the Ramban whether the requirement of \u05dc\u05db\u05dd &#8211; to own the Daled Minim &#8211; applies for the Daled Minim for the entire Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05db\u05d8: &#8220;\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e0\u05df<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=29b&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=29b&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 beginning of the third Perek<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sefaria.org\/Ritva_on_Sukkah.29b?lang=bi\">https:\/\/www.sefaria.org\/Ritva_on_Sukkah.29b?lang=bi<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05d1\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1 \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d0 for a lengthy discussion how one can fulfill mitzvah from the Torah of Daled Minim all seven days of Sukkos<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=49325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=68\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=49325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=68<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Topic:\u00a0The mitzvah of Daled Minim in Beis Hamikdash and the rest of the world. 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