{"id":29723,"date":"2023-06-05T22:32:00","date_gmt":"2023-06-05T22:32:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29723"},"modified":"2023-06-06T02:31:42","modified_gmt":"2023-06-06T02:31:42","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-sivan-17-daf-43a-06-05-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-monday-night-shiur-sivan-17-daf-43a-06-05-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Monday night shiur, Sivan 17, Daf 43a (06\/05\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek06052023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Very quickly review the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4&#8221; until \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2. &#8220;\u05d3\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d2\u05d1\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df (fifteen lines from top of the Amud)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Topic: \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05e9\u05dc\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d9\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05d1\u05e9\u05d1\u05ea<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4\u05d5 who asks&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why is there a difference in the gezeira between&nbsp;Lulav&nbsp;and Shofar?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What&#8217;s the explanation for the incongruity of the gezeira on the Mitzvah of shofar during the time of Beis Hamikdash to the gezeira after the churban?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>In Conclusion<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why is the Mitzvah of Daled Minim not performed on the first day of Sukkos which coincides with Shabbos?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is it because gezeira to prevent one from carrying on Shabbos, or because of the uncertainty whether the first day of Sukkos is the fifteenth or fourteenth of Tishrei?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d3: &#8220;\u05d2\u05e8\u05e1\u05d9\u05e0\u05df \u05d1\u05de\u05e1\u05db\u05ea \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14306&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14306&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8&#8221;\u05df on our Gemara<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=624\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=624<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bring a proof from the \u05e8&#8221;\u05df if he agrees with the \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05e3&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2. &#8220;\u05d3\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d2\u05d1\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df (fifteen lines from top of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d5\u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05d2\u05d5\u05e4\u05d0 \u05de\u05e0\u05dc\u05df&#8221; (thirteen lines from bottom of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Topic<\/strong>: The mitzvah of Daled Minim in Beis Hamikdash and the rest of the world.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is the mitzvah of Daled Minim&nbsp;all seven days of Sukkos in the Beis Hamikdash an extension of the Mitzvah of Daled Minim of the first day obligation everywhere?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>or an independent mitzvah?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Practical difference &#8211; \u05e0\u05e4\u05e7\u05d0 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 &#8211; if one performed the mitzvah of Daled Minim on the first day of Sukkos in his home and later that day went to the Beis Hamikdash would he have to take the Daled Minim again&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d1\u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05de\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d4\u05db\u05d9 (first one on fourth Perek)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=624\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=624<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Note: how the \u05d1\u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05de\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 explains different than \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d4\u05d0 and avoids the major question we asked on Tosfos&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How could Tosfos suggest limiting the Daled Minim for the seven days of Sukkos which coincide with Shabbos to one&#8217;s home?&nbsp; The only mitzvah for the rest of Sukkos is in the Beis Hamikdash?&nbsp; See \u05e2\u05de\u05e7 \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d4 \u05d4&#8217; \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d0 &#8220;\u05d5\u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05de\u05d2 for an answer<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bring a proof to the chakirah&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1. from the&nbsp;Gemara&nbsp;we learnt today<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2. from &#8220;\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 &#8220;\u05d0\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df (on&nbsp;gemara&nbsp;earlier on the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05ea \u05d7\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5\u05da \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 \u05e9\u05db\u05d3 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14092&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=164\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14092&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=164<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e2\u05de\u05e7 \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d4 \u05d4&#8217; \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d0&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Very quickly review the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4&#8221; until \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d2. &#8220;\u05d3\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d1\u05d2\u05d1\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df (fifteen lines from top of the Amud)&nbsp; Topic: \u05d2\u05d6\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05e9\u05dc\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d9\u05d8\u05d5\u05dc \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05d1\u05e9\u05d1\u05ea Quickly review &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4\u05d5 who asks&nbsp;&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-29723","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29723","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=29723"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29723\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":29730,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29723\/revisions\/29730"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=29723"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=29723"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=29723"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}