{"id":29621,"date":"2023-05-17T23:52:00","date_gmt":"2023-05-17T23:52:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29621"},"modified":"2023-05-18T16:14:56","modified_gmt":"2023-05-18T16:14:56","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-iyar-27-daf-42b-05-17-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-fourth-perek-wednesday-night-shiur-iyar-27-daf-42b-05-17-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fourth Perek, Wednesday night shiur, Iyar 27 Daf 42b (05\/17\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahfourthperek05172023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review the first Mishna of the fourth Perek.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05d5\u05ea &#8220;\u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05e8&#8221;\u05df who asks simply whenever the first day of Sukkos coincides with Shabbos there will be no meat from the \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05df \u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d9\u05dd<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=624\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=624<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why didn&#8217;t Tosfos ask from the simpler case like the Ran?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How did Tosfos answer his question?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What changed in Tosfos answer from his original understanding?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is the mitzvah of simchas Yom tov from the Torah exclusively with eating the meat of the korban shelomim or does it include other items that make one happy?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See wording of \u05e8&#8221;\u05df&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn one or two fo the following Tosfos&nbsp; \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05de\u05d5\u05e2\u05d3 \u05e7\u05d8\u05df \u05d9\u05d3: &#8220;\u05e2\u05e9\u05d4&#8221; &amp; \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05e4\u05e1\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e7\u05d8. &#8220;\u05d1\u05de\u05d4&#8221; &amp; \u05d7\u05d2\u05d9\u05d2\u05d4 \u05d5. &#8220;\u05d3\u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05d1\u05d0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=12&amp;daf=14b&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=12&amp;daf=14b&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=13&amp;daf=6&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=13&amp;daf=6&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d8\u05d5\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d9\u05d6-\u05d9\u05d8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=198\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14278&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=198<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Where is it implicit that the eight days of simcha eating the meat of the korban shlamim needs to be eaten in the evening as well?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why didn&#8217;t Tosfos ask from a simpler case; 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