{"id":29479,"date":"2023-04-24T22:15:00","date_gmt":"2023-04-24T22:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29479"},"modified":"2023-04-25T02:23:06","modified_gmt":"2023-04-25T02:23:06","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-monday-night-shiur-iyar-4-daf-42a-42b-04-24-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-monday-night-shiur-iyar-4-daf-42a-42b-04-24-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Monday night shiur, Iyar 4 Daf 42a &#8211; 42b (04\/24\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek04242023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1. &#8220;\u05d4\u05d9\u05d5\u05d3\u05e2 \u05dc\u05e9\u05de\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d2\u05d5\u05e4\u05d5 (six lines from bottom of the Amud) until \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1: &#8220;\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05dc \u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d5\u05dc \u05db\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea (second line)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Age for \u05e7\u05d8\u05df to be \u05e0\u05d5\u05e9\u05d0 \u05db\u05e4\u05d9\u05d5:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d4\u05d9\u05d5\u05d3\u05e2&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Who asks on Rashi how could the braissa be referring to a bar mitzvah boy if the braissa is dealing with \u05e7\u05d8\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd- minors?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05d2\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05db\u05d3. &#8220;&#8230; \u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e0\u05d5\u05e9\u05d0 \u05d0\u05ea \u05db\u05e4\u05d9\u05d5&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>with &#8220;\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>and &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05df&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=11&amp;daf=24&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=11&amp;daf=24&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How can we answer Tosfos&#8217; question on Rashi?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Halacha<\/strong>:&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What do we conclude lhalacha as to the minimum age for a kohen to \u05d3\u05d5\u05db\u05df?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7\u05db&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d3 with the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 and \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=19\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=19<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1: &#8220;\u05d4\u05d9\u05d5\u05d3\u05e2 \u05dc\u05e9\u05d7\u05d5\u05d8 (top of the Amud) until \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1: &#8220;\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05dc \u05dc\u05d0\u05db\u05d5\u05dc \u05db\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea \u05e6\u05dc\u05d9 (eighth line from top of the Amud)&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Relying on \u05e7\u05d8\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd for Shechita:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d5\u05d4\u05d9\u05d5\u05d3\u05e2<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When can one rely on a \u05e7\u05d8\u05df to perform Shechita on an animal?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Can a \u05e7\u05d8\u05df be a Shochet?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u05e8&#8221;\u05df asks a contradiction to our Gemara from the Mishna \u05d7\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d1 and \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d7\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d1 \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d1 which says that one may not give animals to a child to slaughter and only in the event that he did slaughter correctly as an adult was supervising may it be eaten?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Ran reconciles the contradiction and explains that the Gemara in Chulin is dealing with a child who is unskilled at slaughtering therefore he may not be given animals to slaughter lest an error will result however our Gemara is dealing with a trained skilled minor and he may be given animals to slaughter as long as there is an adult supervising.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=623\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=623<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d7\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d1. &#8220;\u05e9\u05de\u05d0 which brings the opinion of \u05e8&#8221;\u05ea who argues on Rashi in Chulin and explained the Gemara in Chulin that one may not give a child an animal to slaughter when there is no adult supervision.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=31&amp;daf=2&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=31&amp;daf=2&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to \u05e8&#8221;\u05ea how do we reconcile the contradiction from the Gemara in Chulin to our Gemara?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See the \u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d9\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e2\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; 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