{"id":29368,"date":"2023-03-20T23:06:00","date_gmt":"2023-03-20T23:06:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29368"},"modified":"2023-03-21T03:00:42","modified_gmt":"2023-03-21T03:00:42","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-monday-night-shiur-28-adar-daf-41b-03-20-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-monday-night-shiur-28-adar-daf-41b-03-20-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Monday night shiur, 28 Adar, Daf 41b (03\/20\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek03202023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sugya: How much is one required to pay to perform a Mitzvah<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d0: &#8220;\u05dc\u05de\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d9 \u05dc\u05de\u05d9\u05de\u05e8&#8221; (seven lines before the wide lines) until &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05dc&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How much does one need to spend in order to perform a Mitzvah?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See , \u05d1\u05d1\u05d0 \u05e7\u05de\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d8: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d4\u05d5\u05e0\u05d0&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=21&amp;daf=9&amp;format=pdf\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=21&amp;daf=9&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why did Rabban Gamliel spend so much money on the Daled Minim?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d1\u05d1\u05d0 \u05e7\u05de\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d8: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05dc\u05d9\u05de\u05d0 and \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 \u05d1\u05d1\u05d0 \u05e7\u05de\u05d0 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d6 who understands from the Gemara that one does not have to spend a third of his assets to perform a mitzvah&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=21&amp;daf=9b&amp;format=pdf\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=21&amp;daf=9b&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we rule lhalacha?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d5 with \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 and \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d9\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 \u05de\u05d7\u05d5\u05de\u05e9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Note &#8211; the \u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d0 makes a distinction between a \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05ea \u05e2\u05e9\u05d4 and \u05dc\u05d0 \u05ea\u05e2\u05e9\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=260\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=260<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the reasoning for the difference?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 and \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05e3 who quotes the \u05e8\u05d0\u05d1&#8221;\u05d3 for the reasoning.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sugya: Holding items during davening<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the Gemara from \u05d0&#8221;\u05dc (five lines before the wide lines) until the bottom of the Amud&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>May one hold a siddur when davening?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Gemara explains a person can hold a Lulav when he is davening as he is not preoccupied with the Daled Minim as they are a mitzvah.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Shouldn&#8217;t the logic be the opposite as since Daled Minim are delicate he is preoccupied to ensure they do not fall?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d9\u05d4&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sefaria.org\/Ritva_on_Sukkah.41b.4?lang=bi\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/www.sefaria.org\/Ritva_on_Sukkah.41b.4?lang=bi<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we conclude lhalacha?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e6\u05d5 and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60386&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=263\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60386&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=263<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d0 quotes the \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd who says a person should also not hold items in his hand during krias shema and pesukei dzimra.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Perhaps this is a special halacha in shemoneh esreh. How does the pri megadim extrapolate this halacha to other parts of davening?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d8 &#8220;\u05e2\u05d5\u05d1\u05e8 (towards the end of Tosfos) who learns from our gemara that one can make a bracha on the Daled Minim as long as it was still in ones hands.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Additional maareh mekomos on Sugya: How much is one required to pay to perform a Mitzvah<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><br>Chakirah:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What&#8217;s the \u05dc\u05de\u05d3\u05d5\u05ea why one doesn&#8217;t need to spend more than 20% of his assets to perform a \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05ea \u05e2\u05e9\u05d4?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A) Because he&#8217;s considered an \u05d0\u05d5\u05e0\u05e1, or&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>B) Because one is not obligated in the mitzvah but not the Torah doesn&#8217;t obligate him to spend such a large percentage of his money.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05d0\u05d2\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05de\u05e9\u05d4 \u05d9\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e2\u05d4 \u05e1\u05d9\u05de\u05df \u05e7\u05de\u05d4 starting from paragraph &#8220;\u05d5\u05d4\u05e0\u05d4&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Gemara \u05e7\u05d9\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d9\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05db\u05d8 says that if person has only 5 coins he must use it for the mitzvah of pidyon haben. This Gemara seems to contradict the Gemara Bava Kama that there is a maximum a person had to spend in order to perform a Mitzvah?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d0\u05e4\u05d9\u05dc\u05d5 \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 \u05e2\u05d5\u05d1\u05e8\u05ea (until bottom of the page) who gives two different answers.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Gemara says we see from the fact that Raban Gamliel spent 1,000 zuz to purchase Daled Minim how beloved mitzvos were \u05e2\u05dc\u05d9\u05d4\u05df &#8211; to them &#8211; in plural form. If only Raban Gamliel purchased the Daled Minim how do we see the mitzvos were beloved for the other tanaaim?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See Aruch Lner\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sugya: How much is one required to pay to perform a Mitzvah Learn \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05de\u05d0: &#8220;\u05dc\u05de\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d9 \u05dc\u05de\u05d9\u05de\u05e8&#8221; (seven lines before the wide lines) until &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05dc&nbsp; Questions: How much does one need to&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-29368","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29368","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=29368"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29368\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":29369,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29368\/revisions\/29369"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=29368"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=29368"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=29368"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}