{"id":29090,"date":"2023-01-18T23:26:00","date_gmt":"2023-01-18T23:26:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29090"},"modified":"2023-01-19T04:26:04","modified_gmt":"2023-01-19T04:26:04","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-wednesday-night-shiur-teves-26-daf-38b-01-18-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-wednesday-night-shiur-teves-26-daf-38b-01-18-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Wednesday night shiur, Teves 26, Daf 38b (01\/18\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek01182023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Conclusion of Topic: \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Based on \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d7: &#8220;\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d4\u05d1\u05d0 (middle of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Point #1<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does one need to respond \u05d0\u05de\u05df to a bracha in order to be \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0 the bracha through \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1 and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d6<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=257\">\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 &#8211; \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9 &#8211; \u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc \u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8 \u05d1\u05df \u05d0\u05e8\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d6\u05d0\u05d1 \u05d4\u05db\u05d4\u05df (page 257 of 409) (hebrewbooks.org)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d8 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=276\">\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 &#8211; \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9 &#8211; \u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc \u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8 \u05d1\u05df \u05d0\u05e8\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d6\u05d0\u05d1 \u05d4\u05db\u05d4\u05df (page 276 of 409) (hebrewbooks.org)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7\u05e1&#8221;\u05d6 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1 and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9&#8221;\u05d7-\u05db (extra see \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d5\u05d4\u05de\u05d1\u05e8\u05da who challenges the requirement of the person reciting the bracha to have intent with the Amen of the listener.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=128\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=128<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Point #2<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In cases where the listener can not be yotzei through \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 can he be yotzei through responding Amen to the bracha being said?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d2 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d2 and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d8\u05d5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=257\">\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 &#8211; \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9 &#8211; \u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc \u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8 \u05d1\u05df \u05d0\u05e8\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d6\u05d0\u05d1 \u05d4\u05db\u05d4\u05df (page 257 of 409) (hebrewbooks.org)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d8 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d3 and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d6<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=276\">\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 &#8211; \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9 &#8211; \u05d9\u05e9\u05e8\u05d0\u05dc \u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8 \u05d1\u05df \u05d0\u05e8\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d6\u05d0\u05d1 \u05d4\u05db\u05d4\u05df (page 275 of 409) (hebrewbooks.org)<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Major Question on the Shulchan Aruch:<br><\/strong>Why does the listener who wants to be yotzei with the bracha of birchas hagomel need to respond Amen as we rule \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 works even without responding Amen?<br>Learn \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d5\u05e2\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d0\u05de\u05df who brings three different answers<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The Tur quoting the Rosh<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Shita Mekubetzes<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Rebbe Akiva Eiger<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05d4\u05d2\u05d4\u05d5\u05ea \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05e2\u05e7\u05d9\u05d1\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d9\u05d2\u05e8 \u05e2\u05dc \u05e9\u05d5&#8221;\u05e2 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d8 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d4 for a major chidush when a person can not rely on \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 and needs to reply \u05d0\u05de\u05df.<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14326&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=332\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14326&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=332<br><\/a>(Extra see \u05e9\u05d5&#8221;\u05ea \u05d0\u05d1\u05e0\u05d9 \u05e0\u05d6\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05de<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=1344&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=66&amp;hilite=\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=1344&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=66&amp;hilite=<br><\/a>And \u05e7\u05d4\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e1&#8217; \u05db&#8221;\u05d5)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>When listener is being yotzei Hallel through \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 does he need to respond \u05d4\u05dc\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d4 why or why not?<br>Is the response of \u05d4\u05dc\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d4 the same as responding Amen?<br>Bring a proof from \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d4\u05dc\u05dc&#8221; \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05db\u05d1 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1 who brings Rabbeinu Yeruchom<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=184\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=184<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Conclusion of Topic: \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 Based on \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d7: &#8220;\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d4\u05d1\u05d0 (middle of the Amud) Point #1 Does one need to respond \u05d0\u05de\u05df to a bracha in order to be \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-29090","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29090","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=29090"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29090\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":29092,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29090\/revisions\/29092"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=29090"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=29090"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=29090"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}