{"id":29019,"date":"2023-01-04T23:30:00","date_gmt":"2023-01-04T23:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=29019"},"modified":"2023-01-05T04:29:46","modified_gmt":"2023-01-05T04:29:46","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-wednesday-night-shiur-teves-12-daf-38b-01-04-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-wednesday-night-shiur-teves-12-daf-38b-01-04-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Wednesday night shiur, Teves 12, Daf 38b (01\/04\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek01042023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Rashi says if a person is in middle of silent shmoneh esreh and the Shat&#8221;z is saying kedusha or kadish he should pay attention to the words and it will be considered as he responded through the concept of \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4.<br>Last shiur we gave two possible explanations from the \u05e7\u05d4\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e1&#8217; \u05d9&#8221;\u05d1 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1 of the point of disagreement between Rashi and Tosfos?<br>(The second explanation is based on a fundamental \u05d7\u05e7\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 in how the concept of \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 operates.)<br>Learn \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 &#8220;\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05da who gives a different explanation as to why \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 does not help for the individual who is middle of his silent shemoneh esreh.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we conclude lhalacha if a person is in the middle of silent shmoneh esreh and the Shat&#8221;z is saying kedusha or kadish do we rule like Rashi or Tosfos?<br>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7&#8221;\u05d3 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d6<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Since we have a rule of \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 &#8211;<br>Why can&#8217;t everyone rely on the reading of the Chazzan?<br>And what is the need for the listener to respond to the Chazzan with the word \u05d4\u05dc\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d4?<br>Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05db\u05d1 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287<br><\/a>and \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d4\u05dc\u05dc<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=184\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=184<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 apply<br>For someone who physically can not respond as he is mute?<br>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d9\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e2\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d6<br>For someone who can not respond based on halacha for example, dirty diaper in front of him, needs to use the restroom \u2026 ?<br>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; 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