{"id":28991,"date":"2023-01-02T23:19:00","date_gmt":"2023-01-02T23:19:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28991"},"modified":"2023-01-03T04:23:11","modified_gmt":"2023-01-03T04:23:11","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-monday-night-shiur-teves-10-daf-38b-01-02-23","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-monday-night-shiur-teves-10-daf-38b-01-02-23\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Monday night shiur, Teves 10, Daf 38b (01\/02\/23)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek01022023.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d7: &#8220;\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d4\u05d1\u05d0 (middle of the Amud) until \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d7: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 (three lines from the bottom of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rashi says if a person is in middle of silent shmoneh esrei and the Shat&#8221;z is saying kedusha or kadish he should pay attention to the words and it will be considered a Sid he responded through the concept of \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05e9\u05de\u05e2 \u05d5\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e2\u05e0\u05d4 who asks a question on Rashi from the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05ea<br><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>How does Rashi answer Tosfos question from the Gemara in Brachos?<br>Learn \u05e8&#8221;\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d8: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d5\u05db\u05ea\u05d1 \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 (third line from top of the Amud)<br>What is the point of disagreement between Rashi and Tosfos?<br>See \u05e7\u05d4\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e1&#8217; \u05d9&#8221;\u05d1 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1 for two possible explanations. The second explanation is based on a fundamental \u05d7\u05e7\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 in how the concept of \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 operates.<br>Learn \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 &#8220;\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05da who gives a different explanation as to why \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 does not help for the individual who is middle of his silent shmoneh esrei.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>List of cases to consider whether one can utilize the concept of \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4<br>If one physically can not respond as he is mute?<br>If one based on halacha reason can not respond for example, dirty diaper in front of him, needs to use the restroom \u2026 ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Since we have a rule of \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 &#8211;<br>Why can&#8217;t everyone rely on the reading of the Chazzan?<br>And what is the need for the listener to respond to the Chazzan with the word \u05d4\u05dc\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d4?<br>Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05db\u05d1 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287<br><\/a>and \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d4\u05dc\u05dc<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=184\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=184<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we conclude lhalacha if a person is in middle of silent shmoneh esrei and the Shat&#8221;z is saying kedusha or kadish do we rule like Rashi or Tosfos?<br>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7&#8221;\u05d3 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d6<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>List of cases to consider whether one can utilize the concept of \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4<br>If one physically can not respond as he is mute?<br>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d9\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e2\u05d4 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d6<br>If one based on halacha reason can not respond for example, dirty diaper in front of him, needs to use the restroom \u2026 ?<br>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7&#8221;\u05d3 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d6 \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d5\u05d9\u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Shulchan Aruch \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d2 says that in order to be \u05de\u05d5\u05e6\u05d9\u05d0 through \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 the person needs to be a \u05d1\u05e8 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d5\u05d1\u05d0<br><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Our Gemara says the source for \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 is when Shafan read the Torah in front of Yoshiayahu.<br>What was Yoshiayahu obligation to read from the Torah?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Since we have a rule of \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 &#8211;<br>Why can&#8217;t everyone rely on the reading of the Chazzan?<br>And what is the need for the listener to respond to the Chazzan with the word \u05d4\u05dc\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d4?<br>Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05db\u05d1 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287<br><\/a>and \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d4\u05dc\u05dc<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=184\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=184<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Which brachos are excluded from utilizing the rule of \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4?<br>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60386&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=33&amp;hilite=\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60386&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=33&amp;hilite=<br><\/a>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7\u05de&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; \u05d1 &amp; \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05dc\u05d1\u05d8\u05dc\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=50&amp;hilite=\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=50&amp;hilite=<br><\/a>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d2 and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=256&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=256&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does one need to respond \u05d0\u05de\u05df to a bracha in order to be \u05d9\u05d5\u05e6\u05d0 with the bracha?<br>See \u05d8\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d8 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d3 &#8220;\u05d5\u05dc\u05e4&#8221;\u05d6 \u05d0\u05dd \u05d1\u05d9\u05e8\u05da<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14265&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=375\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14265&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=375<br><\/a>and \u05d4\u05d2\u05d4\u05d5\u05ea \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05e2\u05e7\u05d9\u05d1\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d9\u05d2\u05e8 \u05e2\u05dc \u05e9\u05d5&#8221;\u05e2 \u05e1\u05e2&#8217; 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