{"id":28973,"date":"2022-12-26T22:32:00","date_gmt":"2022-12-26T22:32:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28973"},"modified":"2022-12-27T03:36:11","modified_gmt":"2022-12-27T03:36:11","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-monday-night-shiur-teves-3-daf-38a-38b-12-26-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-monday-night-shiur-teves-3-daf-38a-38b-12-26-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Monday night shiur, Teves 3, Daf 38a-38b (12\/26\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek12262022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to\u00a0Download\u00a0the Shiur<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Very quickly review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d7 \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d0 from \u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 (last line) until \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d7: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 (three lines from the bottom of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Gemara lists six halachos \/minhagim of how they would read Hallel in the time of the Gemara.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d7: &#8220;\u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05ea\u05d0 notes that already in his times the reciting of Hallel was not in accordance with the minhagim of Rava and says since they were just customs if the custom was accepted to be different than no issue of not following the original custom of Rava.<br><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>Rashi says the first halacha\/ minhag &#8211; there is a mitzvah for the public to respond the word \u05d4\u05dc\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d4 after the Chazzan at the opening of Hallel. This applies to everyone even to people who know how to recite Hallel on their own.<br>Why do we not follow this halacha when we recite Hallel?<br>For an explanation learn the \u05e8&#8221;\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9&#8221;\u05d8. \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=620\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=620<br><\/a>and \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05e0\u05e8 <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=148\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=148<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In regard to repeating the \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d9 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7\u05d9\u05dd<br>Would the public repeat the opening line only after the Chazzan said the opening line or after each line recited by the Chazzan of that paragraph?<br>When would the public respond with the word \u05d4\u05dc\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d4?<br>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05de\u05db\u05d0\u05df \u05e9\u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 and the \u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8\u05d9 <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=105\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=105<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Rashi &#8220;\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05dc\u05d5 \u05e2\u05d1\u05d3\u05d9&#8221; concludes that only someone who does not know how to recite Hallel can rely on the reciting of the Chazzan by responding \u05d4\u05dc\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d4.<br>What is Rashi&#8217;s source for this stringency?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Since we have a rule of \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 &#8211;<br>Why can&#8217;t everyone rely on the reading of the Chazzan?<br>And what is the need for the listener to respond to the Chazzan with the word \u05d4\u05dc\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9\u05d4?<br>Learn \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05db\u05d1 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14325&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=287<br><\/a>and \u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d4\u05dc\u05dc<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=184\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60389&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=184<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05e9\u05de\u05e2 \u05d5\u05dc\u05d0 \u05e2\u05e0\u05d4<br><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>How does Rashi answer Tosfos question from the Gemara in Brachos?<br>Learn \u05e8&#8221;\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d8: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d5\u05db\u05ea\u05d1 \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 (third line from top of the Amud)<br>What is the point of disagreement between Rashi and Tosfos?<br>See \u05e7\u05d4\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d1\u05e8\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e1&#8217; \u05d9&#8221;\u05d2 who presents a \u05d7\u05e7\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 in the concept of \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4<br>Learn \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1&#8221;\u05d0 &#8220;\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05da who gives a different explanation as to why \u05e9\u05d5\u05de\u05e2 \u05db\u05e2\u05d5\u05e0\u05d4 does not help for the individual who is middle of his silent shmoneh esreh.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Very quickly review \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d7 \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d0 from \u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 (last line) until \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d7: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 (three lines from the bottom of the Amud) The Gemara lists six halachos \/minhagim of how&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28973","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28973","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28973"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28973\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28974,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28973\/revisions\/28974"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28973"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28973"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28973"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}