{"id":28927,"date":"2022-12-14T22:43:53","date_gmt":"2022-12-14T22:43:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28927"},"modified":"2022-12-14T22:43:53","modified_gmt":"2022-12-14T22:43:53","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-eruvin-first-perek-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a2%d7%99-kislev-20-daf-5b-12-14-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-eruvin-first-perek-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a2%d7%99-kislev-20-daf-5b-12-14-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Eruvin: First Perek, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9 Kislev 20, Daf 5b (12\/14\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburashiurgemaraeruvinfirstperek12142022.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to Download<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d4: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d4\u05d5\u05e0\u05d0 (eight lines from top of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05e8\u05d1 \u05d0\u05e9\u05d9 \u05d0\u05de\u05e8 (seven lines from bottom of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review the second half of &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05e7\u05dc \u05d5\u05d7\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 starting from &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9\u05ea&#8221;<br><strong>Major Question:<br><\/strong>The concept of \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 is a halacha l&#8217;moshe misinai in the laws of mechitza. Why should we need a \u05e7\u05dc \u05d5\u05d7\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 from \u05d7\u05e6\u05e8 to teach us it is considered a valid wall for the fourth side of a Mavui?<br>Why is \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 not accepted for the other three sides of a Mavui especially when we see it works by a \u05d7\u05e6\u05e8?<br>We discussed the explanation of the Brisker Rav (\u05d2\u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d6 \u05d1\u05db\u05d5\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6 \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d1 &#8220;\u05d5\u05d4\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05df) that Rabanan made a tikun on the fourth side of a Mavui that it needs to be considered closed. Therefore the \u05e7\u05dc \u05d5\u05d7\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 is needed to teach us that \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 besides being considered a mechitza is also viewed as closing the fourth side.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tosfos says although \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 is acceptable for a Chatzer on all four sides we can only learn from a \u05e7\u05dc \u05d5\u05d7\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 to Mavui that it should be valid for the fourth side. The Brisker Rav said that the \u05e7\u05dc \u05d5\u05d7\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 is only needed to teach us that \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 is an acceptable Tikun of the fourth side and we view it as closing the fourth side. How could Tosfos entertain the idea that we could learn that \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 should work for the other three sides?<br>Learn \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d0<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=263\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=263<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In conclusion, is \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 accepted for the other three sides of a Mavui?<br>Learn \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d0 \u05de\u05d4\u05d3\u05d5\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d1\u05ea\u05e8\u05d0<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=296\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=296<br><\/a>Learn \u05e9\u05e4\u05ea \u05d0\u05de\u05ea \u05e2\u05dc \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05e7&#8221;\u05d5<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14521&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=187\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14521&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=187<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>Does a \u05e4\u05e1 \u05d3 need to be recognizable that it was placed there to be a tikun for the Chatzer or Mavui?<br>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5<br>Clarify the Tikunim of chatzer and mavui according to Tosfos.<br><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>Tosfos says that \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 is accepted on the other three sides of a Mavui. This is contradiction to Tosfos above who said we can not learn that from the \u05e7&#8221;\u05d5?<br>Learn &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/RabbeinuPeretz5b--.pdf\">\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e5 &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d1\u05de\u05d1\u05d5\u05d9<\/a> <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Quickly review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d4: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d4\u05d5\u05e0\u05d0 (eight lines from top of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05e8\u05d1 \u05d0\u05e9\u05d9 \u05d0\u05de\u05e8 (seven lines from bottom of the Amud) Review the second half of &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05e7\u05dc&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[15,2,17,5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28927","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-eruvin","category-gemara","category-morning-chabura","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28927","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28927"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28927\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28929,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28927\/revisions\/28929"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28927"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28927"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28927"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}