{"id":28920,"date":"2022-12-13T17:13:00","date_gmt":"2022-12-13T17:13:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28920"},"modified":"2022-12-13T22:17:13","modified_gmt":"2022-12-13T22:17:13","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-eruvin-first-perek-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a9%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-kislev-19-daf-5b-12-13-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-eruvin-first-perek-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a9%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-kislev-19-daf-5b-12-13-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Eruvin: First Perek, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05e9\u05d9 Kislev 19, Daf 5b (12\/13\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburashiurgemaraeruvinfirstperek12132022.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to Download<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d4: &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d4\u05d5\u05e0\u05d0 (eight lines from top of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05e8\u05d1 \u05d0\u05e9\u05d9 \u05d0\u05de\u05e8 (seven lines from bottom of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05e7\u05dc \u05d5\u05d7\u05d5\u05de\u05e8<br><strong>Major Question:<br><\/strong>The concept of \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 is a halacha l&#8217;moshe misinai in the laws of mechitza. Why should we need a \u05e7\u05dc \u05d5\u05d7\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 from \u05d7\u05e6\u05e8 to teach us it is considered a valid wall for the fourth side of a Mavui?<br>Why is \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 not accepted for the other three sides of a Mavui especially when we see it works by a \u05d7\u05e6\u05e8?<br>Yesterday we discussed the explanation of the Brisker Rav (\u05d2\u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d6 \u05d1\u05db\u05d5\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6 \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d1 &#8220;\u05d5\u05d4\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05df) that Rabanan made a tikun on the fourth side of a Mavui that it needs to be considered closed. Therefore the \u05e7\u05dc \u05d5\u05d7\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 is needed to teach us that \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 besides being considered a mechitza is also viewed as closing the fourth side.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tosfos says although \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05de\u05e8\u05d5\u05d1\u05d4 is acceptable for a Chatzer on all four sides we can only learn from a \u05e7\u05dc \u05d5\u05d7\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 to Mavui that it should be valid for the fourth side. 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