{"id":28818,"date":"2022-11-23T22:17:00","date_gmt":"2022-11-23T22:17:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28818"},"modified":"2022-11-24T04:12:10","modified_gmt":"2022-11-24T04:12:10","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-gemara-sukkah-wednesday-night-shiur-rosh-chodesh-kislev-daf-37b-38a-11-23-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-gemara-sukkah-wednesday-night-shiur-rosh-chodesh-kislev-daf-37b-38a-11-23-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Gemara Sukkah: Wednesday night shiur, Rosh Chodesh Kislev, Daf 37b-38a (11\/23\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek11232022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Review \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d6 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d8-\u05d9<br>The \u05d4\u05d2\u05d4\u05d5\u05ea \u05de\u05d9\u05d9\u05de\u05d5\u05e0\u05d9\u05ea \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05e1 quotes \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e9\u05de\u05d7\u05d4 who says it is cleared from the Mishna and Gemara that the Daled Minim are only shaken during Hallel<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58958&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=286&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58958&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=286&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>How does the Rambam and \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e9\u05de\u05d7\u05d4 explain the three gemara&#8217;s that Tosfos and the Ran brought as a proof that the Lulav is shaken during the initial taking?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the point of disagreement between the Rambam and Tosfos\/ Ran\/ Rosh\/ Meiri ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Based on the above Rambam the Brisker Rav would be careful to use the same Daled Minim that he shook when he made the bracha to hold and shake during Hallel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See how the Shulchan Aruch Mentions when is the time of the main Mitzvah of Daled Minim &#8211; See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d1 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d0 &#8220;\u05d5\u05e2\u05d9\u05e7\u05e8 \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05ea\u05d5 \u05d1\u05e9\u05e2\u05ea \u05d4\u05d4\u05dc\u05dc<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Think of a few more halachik differences between the Rambam and the other Rishonim<br>See \u05d4\u05dc\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d9\u05d8 and the footnotes \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d2 and 84 and \u05de\u05e7\u05e8\u05d0\u05d9 \u05e7\u05d5\u05d3\u05e9 \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05d7\u05dc\u05e7 \u05d1 \u05e1\u05d9\u05de\u05df \u05d8\u05d6 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How many times must one shake the Lulav?<br>What is considered \u05e0\u05e2\u05e0\u05d5\u05e2\u05d9\u05dd &#8211; Moving the Lulav in various directions or actually shaking (rattling) the Lulav<br>Bring proofs<br>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05db\u05d3\u05d9 <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=37b&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=37b&amp;format=pdf<\/a><br>Learn &#8216;\u05e8&#8221;\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d7: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=619\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=619<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we conclude lhalacha?<br>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d7- \u05d8 and the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<a href=\" https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=253\"> https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=253<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Conclusion of Sugya: \u05e0\u05e2\u05e0\u05d5\u05e2\u05d9\u05dd<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Thank you Bruce Goldberg for sending in your summary of the Sugya.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Please write a summary of the Sugya of \u05e0\u05e2\u05e0\u05d5\u05e2\u05d9\u05dd of the Daled Minim.<br>Include the following points.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>During which pesukim of Hallel are the Daled Minim shaken. (Mishna, Tosfos &#8220;\u05d1\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d5&#8221; and Ran)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Must one shake the Daled Minim when he first recites the bracha on the lulav before Hallel. (the opinions and reasoning of \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d1\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d5, Ran, Rosh, Meiri and Rambam)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>How does the Rambam view differ?<br>List three differences lhalacha based on the Rambam<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>How many times must one shake the Lulav?<br>What is considered \u05e0\u05e2\u05e0\u05d5\u05e2\u05d9\u05dd &#8211; Moving the Lulav in various directions or actually shaking (rattling) the Lulav<br>Learn &#8216;\u05e8&#8221;\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d7: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=619\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=619<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we conclude lhalacha?<br>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d7- \u05d8 and the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<a href=\" https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=253\"> https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=253<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Review \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d6 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d8-\u05d9The \u05d4\u05d2\u05d4\u05d5\u05ea \u05de\u05d9\u05d9\u05de\u05d5\u05e0\u05d9\u05ea \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05e1 quotes \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e9\u05de\u05d7\u05d4 who says it is cleared from the Mishna and Gemara that the Daled Minim are only shaken during Hallelhttps:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58958&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=286&amp;hilite=&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28818","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28818","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28818"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28818\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28819,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28818\/revisions\/28819"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28818"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28818"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28818"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}