{"id":28815,"date":"2022-11-23T17:56:00","date_gmt":"2022-11-23T17:56:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28815"},"modified":"2022-11-23T22:58:11","modified_gmt":"2022-11-23T22:58:11","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-eruvin-first-perek-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a2%d7%99-cheshvan-29-daf-4b-5a-11-23-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-eruvin-first-perek-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a8%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a2%d7%99-cheshvan-29-daf-4b-5a-11-23-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Eruvin: First Perek, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9 Cheshvan 29, Daf 4b-5a (11\/23\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburashiurgemaraeruvinfirstperek11232022.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to Download<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sugya &#8211; \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<br><\/strong>Very quickly review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d3: &#8220;\u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d2\u05d1\u05d5\u05d4 \u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd (two dots &#8211; six lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots on \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d4<br>Focus on the second &#8211; fourth explanation<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Explanation #2<br><\/strong>According to which reason does the requirement to have 4 tefachim line up with &#8211; \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d4\u05d9\u05db\u05e8 or \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4?<br>Learn Rashi very carefully.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Why does Rashi assume that the outer face of the \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 descends according to the opinion of \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4?<br>Why is a build up of a tefach underneath the \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 insufficient? Once the height is reduced between the \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 and the ground the Mechitzah should descend and service the entire mavui?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn second half of \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d3:-\u05d4 &#8220;\u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 starting from &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05dc\u05d4\u05e7\u05e9\u05d5\u05ea&#8221;<br>Tosfos asks a major question:<br>According to the second explanation everyone agrees it is \u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d4\u05e9\u05ea\u05de\u05e9 \u05ea\u05d7\u05ea \u05d4\u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 and a build up of four tefachim is required because \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4. This contradicts the premise of the first explanation of the Gemara (according to Tosfos) that everyone agrees \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4 and if its \u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d4\u05e9\u05ea\u05de\u05e9 \u05ea\u05d7\u05ea \u05d4\u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 only a one tefach build up is required?<br>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05d5\u05ea \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e5 who explains Tosfos answer.<br>See \u05d2\u05d0\u05d5\u05df \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1 \u05d3: &#8220;\u05dc\u05d9\u05de\u05d0 \u05d1\u05d4\u05d0\u05d9 \u05e7\u05de\u05d9\u05e4\u05dc\u05d2\u05d9 who explains the point of argument between the first and second explanation according to Tosfos. See the end of the paragraph and how he gives a different explanation of the position of Rashi in the first explanation of the Gemara and how he addresses the following questions we asked yesterday<br>According to the first explanation does Abaye and Rav Yosef hold \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d4\u05d9\u05db\u05e8 or \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4?<br>Rashi (\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d3: &#8220;\u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8) discusses the need to see the \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 so why does Rashi need to add that we view the edge of the \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 as descending and creating a closure. It seems that Rashi is requiring both the element of \u05d4\u05d9\u05db\u05e8 and \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Clarify the third and fourth explanation of the Gemara<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05e3 who explains the reduction of the height of the \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 different than Rashi<br>Learn \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05e0\u05ea\u05df on the side of the \u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05e3<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sugya &#8211; \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4Very quickly review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d3: &#8220;\u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d2\u05d1\u05d5\u05d4 \u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd (two dots &#8211; six lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots on \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d4Focus on the second &#8211; fourth explanation&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[15,2,17,5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28815","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-eruvin","category-gemara","category-morning-chabura","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28815","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28815"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28815\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28817,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28815\/revisions\/28817"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28815"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28815"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28815"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}