{"id":28809,"date":"2022-11-22T19:24:00","date_gmt":"2022-11-22T19:24:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28809"},"modified":"2022-11-23T00:27:21","modified_gmt":"2022-11-23T00:27:21","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-eruvin-first-perek-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a9%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-cheshvan-28-daf-4b-5a-11-22-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-eruvin-first-perek-%d7%99%d7%95%d7%9d-%d7%a9%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%99-cheshvan-28-daf-4b-5a-11-22-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Eruvin: First Perek, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05e9\u05d9 Cheshvan 28, Daf 4b-5a (11\/22\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburashiurgemaraeruvinfirstperek11222022.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to Download<\/strong><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sugya &#8211; \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<br><\/strong>Review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d3: &#8220;\u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d2\u05d1\u05d5\u05d4 \u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd (two dots &#8211; six lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots on \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d4<br>Clarify the four different explanations between the Machlokes of Abaye and Rav Yosef and how they align with the the area of dispute.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Explanation #1<br><\/strong>Learn \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d7: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05d0 \u05dc\u05d4\u05d5 \u05de\u05d4\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d4\u05e9\u05ea\u05de\u05e9 \u05ea\u05d7\u05ea \u05d4\u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 (eleven lines before the wide lines) until \u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05d7\u05e1\u05d3\u05d0 (second wide line)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>According to the first explanation does Abaye and Rav Yosef hold \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d4\u05d9\u05db\u05e8 or \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4?<br>Rashi (\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d3: &#8220;\u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8) discusses the need to see the \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 so why does Rashi need to add that we view the edge of the \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 as descending and creating a closure. It seems that Rashi is requiring both the element of \u05d4\u05d9\u05db\u05e8 and \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; &#8220;\u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8<br>Bring a proof from Tosfos how he understands Rashi whether \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d4\u05d9\u05db\u05e8 or \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4<br>Learn \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d0 who asks a question on our Gemara and gives an answer to the question we asked on Rashi<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=263\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14312&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=263<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Explanation #2<br><\/strong>According to which reason does the requirement to have 4 tefachim line up with &#8211; \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d4\u05d9\u05db\u05e8 or \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4?<br>Learn Rashi very carefully.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Why does Rashi assume that the outer face of the \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 descends according to the opinion of \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4?<br>Why is a build up of a tefach underneath the \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 insufficient? Once the height is reduced between the \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 and the ground the Mechitzah should descend and service the entire mavui?<br>Why according to the second explanation in which everyone agrees its \u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d4\u05e9\u05ea\u05de\u05e9 \u05ea\u05d7\u05ea \u05d4\u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 yet if \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4 a build up of four tefachim is required when in the first explanation Tosfos understands everyone holds \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05de\u05e9\u05d5\u05dd \u05de\u05d7\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4 and if its \u05de\u05d5\u05ea\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d4\u05e9\u05ea\u05de\u05e9 \u05ea\u05d7\u05ea \u05d4\u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 only need one tefach build up is required?<br>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05d5\u05ea \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e5<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sugya &#8211; \u05e7\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4Review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d3: &#8220;\u05d4\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d2\u05d1\u05d5\u05d4 \u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd (two dots &#8211; six lines from bottom of Amud) until the two dots on \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d4Clarify the four different explanations between the Machlokes of&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[15,2,17,5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28809","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-eruvin","category-gemara","category-morning-chabura","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28809","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28809"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28809\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28810,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28809\/revisions\/28810"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28809"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28809"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28809"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}