{"id":28758,"date":"2022-11-08T03:27:51","date_gmt":"2022-11-08T03:27:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28758"},"modified":"2022-11-08T03:27:51","modified_gmt":"2022-11-08T03:27:51","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-monday-night-shiur-cheshvan-14-daf-37b-11-07-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-monday-night-shiur-cheshvan-14-daf-37b-11-07-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Monday night shiur, Cheshvan 14, Daf 37b (11\/07\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek11072022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Very quickly review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05e9\u05dc \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 (eight lines from top of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05d1\u05de\u05d7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e8&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is it permitted to smell haddasim which are being used as schach?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d7. \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05e9\u05dc \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 (middle of the wide lines)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=618&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=618&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9: \u05de\u05e0\u05d9\u05de\u05d9\u05df \u05e2\u05d1\u05d3\u05d9\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e8\u05d1 \u05d0\u05e9\u05d9 (fourth line from top of the Amud) until \u05d0\u05ea\u05de\u05e8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=10b&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=10b&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If the Drasha prohibits usage of the schach then why didn&#8217;t Rav Ashi raise an objection to using the schach as a clothes line?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05d8&#8221;\u05d6 \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05dc&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d2 starting from \u05d5\u05e2\u05dc \u05db\u05df \u05e0\u05e8\u05d0\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e9\u05d5\u05d8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=369\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=369<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05dc&#8221;\u05d7 last two lines of \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1 &#8220;\u05d0\u05dd \u05e1\u05db\u05da \u05d1\u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05db\u05d4 &amp; \u05db\u05d5 and \u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e6\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=208\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=208<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We discussed an argument between the \u05de\u05e8\u05d3\u05db\u05d9 and the \u05e9&#8221;\u05da<br>The (\u05de\u05e8\u05d3\u05db\u05d9 (\u05e4\u05e1\u05d7\u05d9\u05dd \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05ea\u05e7\u05de\u05d6 derives from the prohibition to smell the Haddasim that it is only forbidden to smell \u05d0\u05d9\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e0\u05d0\u05d4 whose primary function are to produce a nice fragrance. But if scent is not the primary function than it is permitted to smell them as we apply the rule \u05d3\u05d9\u05d9\u05d8 \u05dc\u05d0\u05d5 \u05de\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea\u05d0<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14315&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=421\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14315&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=421<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The \u05e9&#8221;\u05da \u05d9\u05d5&#8221;\u05d3 \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05db\u05d6 disagrees and says that our Gemara implies the opposite. Only in regards to muktza is it permitted to smell the item if it&#8217;s primary function is not for smell. But for \u05d0\u05d9\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e0\u05d0\u05d4 it is prohibited to derive pleasure from their fragrance regardless of their primary or secondary purpose.<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=9145&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=513\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=9145&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=513<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>What is the point of disagreement between the \u05de\u05e8\u05d3\u05db\u05d9 and the \u05e9&#8221;\u05da?<br>The \u05de\u05e8\u05d3\u05db\u05d9 &#8211; Special drasha that the Daled minim are consecrated to Hashem.<br>The \u05e9&#8221;\u05da &#8211; They are designated for a mitzvah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See &#8220;\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 &#8220;\u05d0\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d7<br>Questions:<br>Why does Rashi list both the reason of \u05d7\u05dc \u05e9\u05dd \u05e9\u05de\u05d9\u05dd &#8211; \u05d0\u05d9\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e0\u05d0\u05d4 and \u05de\u05d5\u05e7\u05e6\u05d4?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If the source for the prohibition is the drasha which makes the Haddasim into \u05d0\u05d9\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e0\u05d0\u05d4 than why is it permitted to smell an Esrog?<br>See \u05e9\u05e4\u05ea \u05d0\u05de\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6. &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05e9\u05dc \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14522&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=198\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14522&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=198<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Continue learning the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05d1\u05de\u05d7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e8 until the Mishna<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Did someone who mistakenly held the Lulav in the left hand and Esrog in the right hand fulfill the Mitzvah of Daled Minim?<br>Does he need to pick the Daled minim up again in the correct hand?<br>See the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05d1. &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d1\u05d9\u05d9 \u05db\u05e9\u05d4\u05e4\u05db\u05d5 and \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 an \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d7\u05e0\u05e0\u05d0\u05dc &#8220;\u05d0&#8221;\u05e8 \u05d0\u05de\u05d9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8\u05d9<br>And \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d8<br>How do we rule lhalacha?<br>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d2 and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d8<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Very quickly review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05e9\u05dc \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 (eight lines from top of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05d1\u05de\u05d7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e8&#8221; Is it permitted to smell haddasim which are being used&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28758","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28758","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28758"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28758\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28761,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28758\/revisions\/28761"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28758"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28758"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28758"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}