{"id":28732,"date":"2022-11-01T02:24:17","date_gmt":"2022-11-01T02:24:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28732"},"modified":"2022-11-01T02:24:17","modified_gmt":"2022-11-01T02:24:17","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-monday-night-shiur-cheshvan-7-daf-37b-10-31-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-monday-night-shiur-cheshvan-7-daf-37b-10-31-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Monday night shiur, Cheshvan 7, Daf 37b (10\/31\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek10312022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 (three lines from top of the Amud) until \u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05e9\u05dc \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Rabbah and Rava disagree when there&#8217;s a separated leaf from the haddasim or Aravos whether it is considered a \u05d7\u05e6\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4<br>What is the additional chiddush in the argument betw\u00e9en Rabbah and Rava by the case of the cut off leaves of the Lulav?<br>Why does the Rif and Rambam not bring the halacha of the case of cutting off the bottom of the lulav when it&#8217;s inside the bundle?<br>Learn Aruch L&#8217;Ner for an answer<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=143\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=143<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why would a separated leaf stuck between Hadas and Lulav be a Chatzitza? Earlier we only discussed a chatzitza between one&#8217;s hand and the daled minim, where is the source that the daled minim needs to be stuck together without a separation?<br>See Rashash<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=514\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=514<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Would the answer to this question differ based on the machlokes between Tosfos and the Ran regarding what is the disqualification in all the cases of Rabbah and Rava. (Tosfos- \u05d7\u05e6\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4, Ran- lack of \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 \u05ea\u05de\u05d4)?<br>Bring a proof from Rashi what the issue is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to Rabbah would one be inquired to inspect that there are no detached leaves stuck between his lulav and haddas ?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review the \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d6 with the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=252\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=252<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Rama says the minhag is to remove the tefillin straps and rings from one&#8217;s finger when holding the Daled minim but according to the letter of the law it is not necessary.<br><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Why is it not absolutely necessary?<br>See \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d7 and \u05d1&#8217; \u05d4\u05d2\u05e8&#8221;\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05db\u05d1 who give different explanations<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=397\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=397<br><\/a>See \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d5 for his halachik ruling<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=252\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=252<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does one have to remove the rings from their fingers before taking the Daled minim?<br>Does one have to remove a bandaid from his hand when taking the Daled minim?<br>What should one do if he has a non removable cast?<br>Is this the same as the halacha in regards to rings and bandages for netilas yadayim?<br>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7\u05e1\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d0 \u05d5\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d0 &amp; \u05d3<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=113\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=113<br><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=114\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=114<br><\/a>See \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7\u05e1\u05d1 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d9 \u05d5\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05e1\u05d7 regarding bandage<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=122<br>Regarding rings see \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7\u05e1\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d2 \u05d5\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=115\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=115<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For Halacha of Daled Minim:<br>See \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d4\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05db<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=9102&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=411\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=9102&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=411<br><\/a>See \u05d4\u05dc\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d4 \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d8\u05d5 with footnote \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05db\u05d4<br>See \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d5 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d3-\u05d8\u05d5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05e9\u05dc \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 (eight lines from top of the Amud) until &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05d1\u05de\u05d7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e8&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>What is the source for the prohibition of smelling the haddasim?<br>See &#8220;\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 &#8220;\u05d0\u05e1\u05d5\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05d7<br>Learn \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d8. &#8220;\u05d3\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1 \u05e9\u05e9\u05ea (fourth line of the Gemara) until \u05d5\u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05e9\u05de\u05d0\u05d9<br>Learn \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d8. &#8220;\u05de\u05e0\u05d9\u05df<br>Clarify the two explanations of Tosfos as to when there is a drasha from the Torah prohibiting the use of schach and when we need the takana drabanan of muktza.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>How does Rashi extrapolate the prohibition of smelling the haddasim from schach which has a special drasha?<br>If the source for the prohibition is the drasha then why is it permitted to smell an Esrog?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is it permitted to smell haddasim which are being used as schach?<br>Learn \u05e8\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d7. \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05e9\u05dc \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 (middle of the wide lines)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See \u05e9\u05e4\u05ea \u05d0\u05de\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6. &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05e9\u05dc \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 (three lines from top of the Amud) until \u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05e9\u05dc \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4 Questions:Rabbah and Rava disagree when there&#8217;s a separated leaf from the haddasim or Aravos&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28732","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28732","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28732"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28732\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28734,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28732\/revisions\/28734"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28732"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28732"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28732"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}