{"id":28714,"date":"2022-10-25T02:12:49","date_gmt":"2022-10-25T02:12:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28714"},"modified":"2022-10-25T02:12:49","modified_gmt":"2022-10-25T02:12:49","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-monday-night-shiur-tishrei-4-daf-36b-37a-09-28-22-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-monday-night-shiur-tishrei-4-daf-36b-37a-09-28-22-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Monday night shiur, Rosh Chodesh Cheshvan, Daf 37a (10\/24\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek10242022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6. &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 \u05de\u05e0\u05d0 \u05d0\u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d0 (eight lines from bottom of the Amud) until \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 (three lines from top of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>Rava beings a proof from the \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 of \u05d0\u05d6\u05d5\u05d1 that \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 \u05e2\u05dc \u05d9\u05d3\u05d9 \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05d0\u05d7\u05e8 \u05e9\u05de\u05d4 \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4. How does the halacha of \u05d0\u05d9\u05d6\u05d5\u05d1 disprove the position of \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 who requires \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 \u05ea\u05de\u05d4 which is special for Lulav?<br>Learn \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05e9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Continue learning the Gemara until \u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d3\u05e1 \u05e9\u05dc \u05de\u05e6\u05d5\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Would a separated leaf be an issue of \u05d1\u05dc \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9\u05e3?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Rabbah and Rava disagree when there&#8217;s a separated leaf from the haddasim or Aravos whether it is considered a \u05d7\u05e6\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4<br>What is the additional chiddush in the argument betw\u00e9en Rabbah and Rava by the case of the cut off leaves of the Lulav?<br>Why does the Rif and Rambam not bring the halacha of the case of cutting off the bottom of the lulav when it&#8217;s inside the bundle?<br>Learn Aruch L&#8217;Ner for an answer<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=143\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=143<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There is a machlokes as to what is the disqualification in all the cases of Rava.<br>Tosfos- \u05d7\u05e6\u05d9\u05e6\u05d4<br>Ran- lack of \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 \u05ea\u05de\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the Ran would a partial separation be a lack of \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 \u05ea\u05de\u05d4?<br>Bring a pr\u00f3of from the above Gemara<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review the \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d6<br>The Rama says the minhag is to remove the tefilin straps and rings from one&#8217;s finger when holding the Daled minim but according to the letter of the law it is not necessary.<br>Questions:<br>Why is it not absolutely necessary?<br>See \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d7 and \u05d1&#8217; \u05d4\u05d2\u05e8&#8221;\u05d0 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05db\u05d1 who give different explanations<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=397\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=397<br><\/a>See \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d5 for his halachik ruling<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=252\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=252<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does one have to remove the rings from their fingers before taking the Daled minim?<br>Does one have to remove a bandaid from his hand when taking the Daled minim?<br>What should one do if he has a non removable cast?<br>Is this the same as the halacha in regards to rings and bandages for netilas yadayim?<br>See \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7\u05e1\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d0 \u05d5\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d0 &amp; \u05d3<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=113\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=113<br><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=114\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=114<br><\/a>See \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7\u05e1\u05d1 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d9 \u05d5\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05e1\u05d7 regarding bandage<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=122\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=122<br><\/a>Regarding rings see \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05e7\u05e1\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d2 \u05d5\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=115\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60387&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=115<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For Halacha of Daled Minim:<br>See \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d4\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05db<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=9102&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=411\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=9102&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=411<br><\/a>See \u05d4\u05dc\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d4 \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d8\u05d5 with footnote \u05d3\u05d1\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05db\u05d4<br>See \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d5 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d3-\u05d8\u05d5<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Quickly review the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6. &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 \u05de\u05e0\u05d0 \u05d0\u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d0 (eight lines from bottom of the Amud) until \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d6: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4 (three lines from top of the Amud) Question:Rava beings a proof from&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28714","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28714","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28714"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28714\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28716,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28714\/revisions\/28716"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28714"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28714"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28714"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}