{"id":28654,"date":"2022-09-15T02:08:26","date_gmt":"2022-09-15T02:08:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28654"},"modified":"2022-09-15T02:08:26","modified_gmt":"2022-09-15T02:08:26","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-wednesday-night-shiur-elul-19-daf-36b-09-14-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-wednesday-night-shiur-elul-19-daf-36b-09-14-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Wednesday night shiur, Elul 19, Daf 36b (09\/14\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek09142022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5: &#8220;\u05d0\u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05d2 \u05e7\u05d8\u05df (two dots) until the Mishna<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>In conclusion:<br><\/strong>According to \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4, why is an Esrog that is larger than half of his handgrip pasul?<br>According to \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9 is there a maximum size for an Esrog?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d3: &#8220;\u05e9\u05ea\u05d4\u05d0<br>Tosfos brings a machlokes between the \u05d1\u05d4&#8221;\u05d2 and \u05e8&#8221;\u05ea whether one must hold all the Daled minim in his hand at the same time in order to fulfill the Mitzvah.<br><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>According to \u05e8&#8221;\u05ea that one must hold all the Daled minim at the same time how can an Esrog the size of a watermelon be kosher as it&#8217;s impossible to hold all the minim?<br>See \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05e0\u05e8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5 \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d1 and the Gemara until &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8\u05d5 \u05dc\u05d5&#8221; (second to last line of the Amud)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions on \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4:<br><\/strong>The Anshei Yerushalayim had two bindings around their Lulav. The real binding was \u05dc\u05de\u05d8\u05d4. What does \u05dc\u05de\u05d8\u05d4 mean in this case; beneath or underneath?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why isn&#8217;t the second binding of the golden strap an issue of \u05d1\u05dc \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9\u05e3?<br>See \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 &#8220;\u05d1\u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05d0\u05d5\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05df and \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05db\u05d3 &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05d0\u05d5\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05df <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=480\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=480<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does one have to have specific intent for the golden strap to be placed for beauty in order for it not to be an issue of \u05d1\u05dc \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9\u05e3?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does it matter which one was placed first?<br>See \u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8\u05d9 &#8220;\u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05dc\u05d5 \u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 (paragraph \u05d0\u05de\u05e8) <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=96\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=96<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See &#8220;\u05e9\u05e4\u05ea \u05d0\u05de\u05ea &#8220;\u05d1\u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14522&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=198\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14522&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=198<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>According to \u05e8&#8221;\u05de\/\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df who hold \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05e6\u05d5\u05e8\u05da \u05d0\u05d2\u05d3 why is one not in violation by using different material to bind the Lulav?<br>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05d5\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d0: &#8220;\u05d4\u05d5\u05d0\u05d9\u05dc <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=31b&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=31b&amp;format=pdf<\/a><br>Learn \u05e8&#8221;\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d3\u05ea\u05e0\u05d9\u05d0 until the two dots on top of \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6 for a different explanation than Tosfos<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tosfos says that in order to transgress \u05d1\u05dc \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9\u05e3 the extra item has to be held \u05d3\u05e8\u05da \u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea\u05d5 &#8211; in the direction that it grows. According to \u05e8&#8221;\u05de why is it permitted to bind the Lulav with gold band as gold doesn&#8217;t grow from the ground so should not be limited to \u05d3\u05e8\u05da \u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dc\u05ea\u05d5?<br>See \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05e9<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05e9\u05d9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d9\u05d3 \u05d1\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 starting from \u05d5\u05db\u05dc \u05d4\u05e0\u05d9 \u05e9\u05d9\u05e2\u05d5\u05e8\u05d9\u05dd &#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=478\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=478<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Quickly review the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5: &#8220;\u05d0\u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05d2 \u05e7\u05d8\u05df (two dots) until the Mishna In conclusion:According to \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4, why is an Esrog that is larger than half of his handgrip pasul?According to \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28654","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28654","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28654"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28654\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28655,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28654\/revisions\/28655"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28654"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28654"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28654"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}