{"id":28616,"date":"2022-09-06T02:15:24","date_gmt":"2022-09-06T02:15:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28616"},"modified":"2022-09-06T02:15:24","modified_gmt":"2022-09-06T02:15:24","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-monday-night-shiur-elul-9-daf-36b-09-05-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-monday-night-shiur-elul-9-daf-36b-09-05-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Monday night shiur, Elul 9, Daf 36b (09\/05\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek09052022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Conclusion of Sugya: \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d3 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd \u05d1\u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df \u05d5\u05e9\u05d0\u05e8 \u05d9\u05de\u05d9 \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d5\u05ea<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05de\u05e8 until the two dots.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Write the different answers to the following question:<br>Why is the disqualification of \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 \u05ea\u05de\u05d4 only pasul for the first day and yet a lack of \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8 disqualified for the entire Sukkos when they are both learnt from the same pasuk?<br>We have learnt a couple of reasons<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Rashi<\/li><li>Tosfos &#8211; &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; \u05d3\u05e3 \u05db\u05d8: &#8220;\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e0\u05df<\/li><li>Ran &#8211; &#8220;\u05e8\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d2: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d5\u05de\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the &#8211; &#8220;\u05e8\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d2: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d4\u05e8\u05de\u05d1&#8221;\u05df&#8221; (second to last line) until &#8220;\u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d3. \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d4\u05e8\u05d0\u05d1&#8221;\u05d3 who presents a fourth explanation from the Ramban<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d7 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d7-\u05d8 and the \u05e8\u05d0\u05d1&#8221;\u05d3 on the Rambam https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58958&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=293<br><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>There are two gemaras which seem to contradict the ruling of the Rambam.<br>How could the Rambam &amp; Raavad rule that a lack of Hadar will only disqualify an Esrog on the first day of Sukkos when the Gemara \u05d3\u05e3 \u05db\u05d8 \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d1 says clearly that it will disqualify the entire Sukkos?<br>Our Gemara says the split between the first day and the rest of the days of Sukkos is applicable to an Esrog which is \u05d7\u05e1\u05e8 and not for an Esrog which is lacking in Hadar from mice nibbling on the Esrog?<br>Learn the \u05db\u05e1\u05e3 \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 &amp; \u05dc\u05d7\u05dd \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 for an answer or these two questions<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we conclude lhalacha?<br>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d8 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d4 and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=245&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=245&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5: \u05d0\u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05d2 \u05e7\u05d8\u05df until &#8220;\u05d5\u05d1\u05d2\u05d3\u05d5\u05dc \u05db\u05d3\u05d9 \u05e9\u05d9\u05d0\u05d7\u05d6&#8221; (two dots) <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=36b&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=36b&amp;format=pdf<\/a><br><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>What is the comparison of the size of the stones one is permitted to carry into the \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05db\u05e1\u05d0 on Shabbos to the minimum size of an Esrog?<br>See \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05dc\u05e0\u05e8 &#8220;\u05db\u05da \u05de\u05d7\u05dc\u05d5\u05e7\u05ea<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=138\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14414&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=138<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review the last four lines of the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d3 \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d1 starting from &#8220;\u05e9\u05d9\u05e2\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d0\u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05d2 \u05e7\u05d8\u05df&#8221; which brings a machlokes between \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 and \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9 regarding the maximum size of an Esrog<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=34b&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=34b&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Conclusion of Sugya: \u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc\u05d9 \u05d3 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd \u05d1\u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df \u05d5\u05e9\u05d0\u05e8 \u05d9\u05de\u05d9 \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d5\u05ea The &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05de\u05e8 until the two dots. 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