{"id":28606,"date":"2022-09-01T03:30:42","date_gmt":"2022-09-01T03:30:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28606"},"modified":"2022-09-01T03:30:42","modified_gmt":"2022-09-01T03:30:42","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-wednesday-night-shiur-elul-5-daf-36b-08-31-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-wednesday-night-shiur-elul-5-daf-36b-08-31-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Wednesday night shiur, Elul 5, Daf 36b (08\/31\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek08312022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5: &#8220;\u05d2\u05d3\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d3\u05e4\u05d5\u05e1 until &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05de\u05e8&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Why is an Esrog that grows inside a mold with a different shape pasul?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05de\u05e8 until the two dots.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>For which days of Sukkos does the disqualification of \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 \u05ea\u05de\u05d4 and lack of \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8 apply?<br>According to Rashi, why is an Esrog with a lack of \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8 disqualified for the entire Sukkos?<br>According to the \u05dc\u05d9\u05e9\u05e0\u05d0 \u05e7\u05de\u05d0 (first version of the opinion of \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4) why is an Esrog which a person nibbled on not a lack in \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8?<br>According to the \u05dc\u05d9\u05e9\u05e0\u05d0 \u05d1\u05ea\u05e8\u05d0 (second version of the opinion of \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4) why is an Esrog which mice nibbled on not a lack in \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8?<br>Why is the disqualification of \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 \u05ea\u05de\u05d4 only pasul for the first day and yet a lack of \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8 disqualified for the entire Sukkos when they are both learnt from the same pasuk?<br>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; \u05d3\u05e3 \u05db\u05d8: &#8220;\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e0\u05df &#8211; focus on the final answer of Tosfos &#8220;\u05dc\u05db\u05da \u05e0\u05e8\u05d0\u05d4&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions on Tosfos:<br><\/strong>Why would the Rabanan not establish the mitzvah drabanan of the daled minim entirely like the requirements of the Torah?<br>Is Tosfos&#8217; explanation the same as Rashi?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05e8\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d2: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d5\u05de\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5 for a new explanation of our gemara and a different answer to the original question. Focus on the explanation of the Ramban (second to last line on \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d2: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 )<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=46674&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=56\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=46674&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=56<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8&#8221;\u05df bottom of \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d4\u05d0 \u05d1\u05d9\u05d5&#8221;\u05d8 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df until the top of \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d7. &#8211; \u05de\u05ea\u05e0\u05d9\u05ea\u05df<br>And the &#8220;\u05e8&#8221;\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d2: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d5\u05de\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5 until the two dots<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>Why is the disqualification of \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 \u05ea\u05de\u05d4 only pasul for the first day and yet a lack of \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8 disqualified for the entire Sukkos when they are both learnt from the same pasuk?<br>We have learnt a couple of reasons<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Rashi<br>(See the \u05e8&#8221;\u05df for his understanding of Rashi. Ran bottom of \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d4\u05d0 \u05d1\u05d9\u05d5&#8221;\u05d8 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df until the top of \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d7. &#8211; \u05de\u05ea\u05e0\u05d9\u05ea\u05df <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=617\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=617<\/a>)<\/li><li>Tosfos https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=29b&amp;format=pdf<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the &#8220;\u05e8\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d2: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d5\u05de\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5 until &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d4\u05e8\u05de\u05d1&#8221;\u05df&#8221; (second to last line) for a third explanation to the original question.<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609<br><\/a><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>According the the Ran<br>Why is an Esrog which is \u05d7\u05e1\u05e8 pasul?<br>Why is it only pasul for the first day of Sukkos?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Continue learning the Ran from the &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d4\u05e8\u05de\u05d1&#8221;\u05df&#8221; (second to last line) until \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d7. \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d4\u05e8\u05d0\u05d1&#8221;\u05d3 who presents a fourth explanation from the Ramban (second to last line on \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d2: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 )<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d7 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d7-\u05d8 and the \u05e8\u05d0\u05d1&#8221;\u05d3 on the Rambam <a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58958&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=293\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58958&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=293<\/a><br><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>How does the Rambam explain our Gemara?<br>See the \u05db\u05e1\u05e3 \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 &amp; \u05dc\u05d7\u05dd \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Learn the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5: &#8220;\u05d2\u05d3\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d3\u05e4\u05d5\u05e1 until &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05de\u05e8&#8221; Questions:Why is an Esrog that grows inside a mold with a different shape pasul? Learn the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05de\u05e8 until the two dots. 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