{"id":28589,"date":"2022-08-24T22:49:00","date_gmt":"2022-08-24T22:49:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28589"},"modified":"2022-08-25T14:51:50","modified_gmt":"2022-08-25T14:51:50","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-wednesday-night-shiur-av-28-daf-36a-36b-08-24-22","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-wednesday-night-shiur-av-28-daf-36a-36b-08-24-22\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Wednesday night shiur, Av 28, Daf 36a-36b (08\/24\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek08242022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sugya: \u05d0\u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05d2 \u05d4\u05d1\u05d5\u05e1\u05e8<br><\/strong>How do we conclude lhalacha?<br>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05db\u05d1 with the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=240\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=240<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What is the halacha regarding an esrog which is larger than an egg at the onset of Sukkos but shrunk during yom tov and is now smaller than the size of an egg?<br>Learn &#8220;\u05d1\u05d9\u05d0\u05d5\u05e8 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 &#8220;\u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc who quotes the \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9 \u05d0\u05d3\u05dd who says it&#8217;s Pasul as it is lacking in \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>How could the \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9 \u05d0\u05d3\u05dd say it&#8217;s Pasul because of Hadar when the gemara concluded that less than the size of an egg is pasul because it&#8217;s considered \u05dc\u05d0 \u05e0\u05d2\u05de\u05e8 \u05e4\u05d9\u05e8\u05d0?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Please write a summary of the Sugya \u05d0\u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05d2 \u05d4\u05d1\u05d5\u05e1\u05e8<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5: &#8220;\u05d2\u05d3\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d3\u05e4\u05d5\u05e1 until the two dots.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Why is an Esrog that grows inside a mold with a different shape pasul?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How could the Rambam rule that a lack of Hadar only disqualifies on the first day of Sukkos. Our Gemara says clearly that Hadar is pasul even on Yom Tov Sheini?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05d8\u05d5\u05d1 \u05e9\u05e0\u05d9 referring to the second day of Sukkos that is observed as yom tov proper in the diaspora or is it referring to the remainder of the days of Sukkos (to the exclusion of the first day) ?<br>See the \u05e8&#8221;\u05df begining of the third Perek.<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5: &#8220;\u05d2\u05d3\u05dc\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d3\u05e4\u05d5\u05e1 until &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05de\u05e8&#8221;<br><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>Why is an Esrog that grows inside a mold with a different shape pasul?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05de\u05e8 until the two dots.<br><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>For which days of Sukkos does the disqualification of \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 \u05ea\u05de\u05d4 and lack of \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8 apply?<br>According to Rashi, why is an Esrog with a lack of \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8 disqualified for the entire Sukkos?<br>According to the \u05dc\u05d9\u05e9\u05e0\u05d0 \u05e7\u05de\u05d0 (first version of the opinion of \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4) why is an Esrog which a person nibbled on not a lack in \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8?<br>According to the \u05dc\u05d9\u05e9\u05e0\u05d0 \u05d1\u05ea\u05e8\u05d0 (second version of the opinion of \u05e8\u05d1\u05d4) why is an Esrog which mice nibbled on not a lack in \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8?<br>Why is the disqualification of \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 \u05ea\u05de\u05d4 only pasul for the first day and yet a lack of \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8 disqualified for the entire Sukkos when they are both learnt from the same pasuk?<br>See the last few lines of \u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05db\u05d8: &#8220;\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e0\u05df (starting from &#8220;\u05dc\u05db\u05da \u05e0\u05e8\u05d0\u05d4&#8221;) and \u05e8&#8221;\u05df bottom of \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d4\u05d0 \u05d1\u05d9\u05d5&#8221;\u05d8 \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9\u05d5\u05df until the top of \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d7. &#8211; \u05de\u05ea\u05e0\u05d9\u05ea\u05df<br>And the &#8220;\u05e8&#8221;\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d2: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d5\u05de\u05d9\u05d4\u05d5 until the two dots<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=609&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Please write a summary of the Sugya \u05d0\u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05d2 \u05d4\u05d1\u05d5\u05e1\u05e8<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sugya: \u05d0\u05ea\u05e8\u05d5\u05d2 \u05d4\u05d1\u05d5\u05e1\u05e8How do we conclude lhalacha?Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05db\u05d1 with the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=240 What is the halacha regarding an esrog which is larger than an egg at the onset of&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28589","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28589","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28589"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28589\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28590,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28589\/revisions\/28590"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28589"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28589"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28589"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}