{"id":28535,"date":"2022-08-02T02:05:57","date_gmt":"2022-08-02T02:05:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28535"},"modified":"2022-08-02T02:05:57","modified_gmt":"2022-08-02T02:05:57","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-daf-31b-32a-niktam-rosho-10-04-21-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-daf-31b-32a-niktam-rosho-10-04-21-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Monday night shiur, Av 5, Daf 36a (08\/01\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek08012022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review the Gemara \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5. &#8220;\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 (third line) until \u05ea&#8221;\u05e9<br>Continue learning the Gemara until \u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05de\u05e8 (just focus on the case of \u05ea\u05e4\u05d5\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e8\u05d5\u05d7 which is being used as a proof to answered the uncertainty of Rava)<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=36&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=36&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>Why do the \u05e1\u05d9\u05de\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d8\u05e8\u05d9\u05e4\u05d4 of an animal apply to an Esrog?<br>See \u05e4\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05e9\u05e2 https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=19251&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=520<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If the question of Rava was about an Esrog in which the internal fleshy part melted and we are uncertain if the rotting will affect the seed case. Why don&#8217;t they just test it out?<br>Learn \u05e9\u05e4\u05ea \u05d0\u05de\u05ea<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14522&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=196<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 starting from &#8220;\u05e0\u05d9\u05e7\u05d1 (third line) until \u05d5\u05db\u05df \u05de\u05e1\u05ea\u05d1\u05e8<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=479&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=479&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Gemara understands that an Esrog that has \u05e1\u05d9\u05de\u05e0\u05d9 \u05d8\u05e8\u05d9\u05e4\u05d4 is Pasul. Why is it Pasul? Is this a new reason to disqualify or does it fall under the category of lack of Hidur or lack of \u05dc\u05e7\u05d9\u05d7\u05d4 \u05ea\u05de\u05d4?<br>See last three lines of the \u05e8\u05d0\u05e9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d9&#8221;\u05d7 starting from &#8221; \u05d5\u05db\u05df \u05de\u05e9\u05de\u05e2<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=479&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=479&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9<br>Tosfos discusses three points<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>How much has to be cracked to be disqualified from \u05e0\u05e1\u05d3\u05e7.<\/li><li>The statement of \u05ea\u05e0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d0 by \u05e0\u05d9\u05e7\u05d1 is different than by \u05e0\u05e7\u05dc\u05e3 &amp; \u05e0\u05e1\u05d3\u05e7.<\/li><li>A hole that reaches to the core is considered a \u05e0\u05e7\u05d1 \u05de\u05e4\u05d5\u05dc\u05e9.<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>According to the Tosfos &amp; the Rosh why is an Esrog which is pierced to its seed case Pasul?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we rule according to Halacha?<br>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1 &amp; \u05d2 with the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=234\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=234<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Write out the two opinions (Rashi &amp; Raavad) brought in the Shulchan Aruch who argue what type of piercings disqualify an Esrog.<br>List the differences between them and how and when we rule leniently like the Raavad<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Quickly review the Gemara \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5. &#8220;\u05d1\u05e2\u05d9 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 (third line) until \u05ea&#8221;\u05e9Continue learning the Gemara until \u05d0\u05de\u05e8 \u05de\u05e8 (just focus on the case of \u05ea\u05e4\u05d5\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e8\u05d5\u05d7 which is being used as a proof to&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28535","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28535","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28535"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28535\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28537,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28535\/revisions\/28537"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28535"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28535"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28535"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}