{"id":28525,"date":"2022-07-28T02:45:36","date_gmt":"2022-07-28T02:45:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28525"},"modified":"2022-07-28T02:45:43","modified_gmt":"2022-07-28T02:45:43","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-daf-31b-32a-niktam-rosho-10-04-21-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-daf-31b-32a-niktam-rosho-10-04-21-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Wednesday night shiur, Tamuz 29, Daf 36a (07\/27\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek07272022.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Review the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d5. &#8220;\u05e0\u05e1\u05d3\u05e7 \u05e0\u05d9\u05e7\u05d1 (two dots &#8211; first line of the Amud) until \u05d1\u05e2\u05d9 \u05e8\u05d1\u05d0 (third line)<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=36&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=7&amp;daf=36&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Review \u05e8\u05de\u05d1\u05f4\u05dd \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d7 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d4 \u05d6 and the \u05d4\u05e9\u05d2\u05d5\u05ea \u05d4\u05e8\u05d0\u05d1&#8221;\u05d3 on the side of the Rambam who argues on the Rambam.<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58958&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=291\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=58958&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=291<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Write out the two opinions (Rashi &amp; Raavad) who argue how to learn the Gemara as to what holes\/dents disqualify an Esrog.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8&#8221;\u05df \u05e2\u05dc \u05d4\u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6. \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05e0\u05e1\u05d3\u05e7&#8221; &amp; &#8221; \u05e0\u05d9\u05e7\u05d1<br>Carefully read the last few lines of the Ran<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=616\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=616<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does the Ran explain like Rashi or like the Raavad?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question:<br><\/strong>According to Rashi, Rambam, and Rosh why does a \u05e0\u05e7\u05d1 \u05de\u05e4\u05d5\u05dc\u05e9 or a hole the size of a coin disqualify the Esrog even though it is not \u05d7\u05e1\u05e8?<br>See \u05e8\u05d9\u05d8\u05d1\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05db\u05d8: &#8220;\u05e0\u05de\u05e6\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 \u05dc\u05de\u05d3\u05d9\u05df until &#8220;\u05d5\u05db\u05dc \u05e9\u05d0\u05de\u05e8\u05e0\u05d5 \u05e9\u05e4\u05e1\u05d5\u05dc<br>See \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9 \u05d0\u05d3\u05dd \u05db\u05dc\u05dc \u05e7\u05e0\u05d0 \u05d4&#8217; \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1 (last line)<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=49395&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=379\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=49395&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=379<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the Raavad if the reason why \u05e0\u05d9\u05e7\u05d1 is pasul is only when part of the Esrog is missing &#8211; 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