{"id":28483,"date":"2022-07-14T02:55:40","date_gmt":"2022-07-14T02:55:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28483"},"modified":"2022-07-14T02:55:40","modified_gmt":"2022-07-14T02:55:40","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-daf-31b-32a-niktam-rosho-10-04-21-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-daf-31b-32a-niktam-rosho-10-04-21-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Wednesday night shiur, Tamuz 15, Daf 35b\u200e (07\/13\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek07132022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Conclusion of Sugya: Pitum<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do we conclude lhalacha regarding the falling off of the \u05e4\u05d9\u05d8\u05d5\u05dd and \u05e2\u05d5\u05e7\u05e5?<br>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d6-\u05d7 and the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=236\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=236<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Shulchan Aruch rules if the Pitum falls off the Esrog is pasul. How much of the Pitum needs to fall off to disqualify?<br>Just the crown, part of the \u05d3\u05d3, the entire \u05d3\u05d3, part of the wood embedded internally, all the wood embedded internally?<br>Learn \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc who brings three opinions and \u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e6\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d2 who discusses the sources from the Rishonim and Achronim. See \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d5<br>See \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d4\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05db\u05d3<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Does it matter what type of Pitum the Esrog has?<br>Learn \u05db\u05e3 \u05d4\u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d6 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05de\u05d5 and \u05d4\u05dc\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d9 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d8 and \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d3 who disagrees.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>What&#8217;s the status of an Esrog if the crown on top of the Pitum falls off?<br>Learn \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d0 and \u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e6\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5 See \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d4\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05db\u05d3<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why doesn&#8217;t one need to be concerned with purchasing an Esrog without a Pitum that perhaps it had a Pitum and it fell off?<br>Learn \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d1 and \u05e9\u05e2\u05e8 \u05d4\u05e6\u05d9\u05d5\u05df \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d6. See \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d1 who disagrees.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What if the Pitum falls off while the Esrog is still attached to the tree?<br>See \u05dc\u05d1\u05d5\u05e9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d6 , Sefer \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05e2\u05dc \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d4: &#8220;\u05e0\u05d8\u05dc\u05d4 , \u05e7\u05d5\u05d1\u05e5 \u05d4\u05dc\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d0 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d0 and \u05d4\u05dc\u05d9\u05db\u05d5\u05ea \u05e9\u05dc\u05de\u05d4 \u05dc\u05d5\u05dc\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e8\u05e7 \u05d9 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d7 who disagrees with the above Poskim.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Point to Consider:<br><\/strong>Is it preferable to purchase an Esrog with a Pitum? 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