{"id":28474,"date":"2022-07-12T02:45:53","date_gmt":"2022-07-12T02:45:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28474"},"modified":"2022-07-12T02:45:53","modified_gmt":"2022-07-12T02:45:53","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-daf-31b-32a-niktam-rosho-10-04-21-2-2-2-2-2-2-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-daf-31b-32a-niktam-rosho-10-04-21-2-2-2-2-2-2-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Monday night shiur, Tamuz 13, Daf 35b (07\/11\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek07112022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Sugya: Pitum<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Very quickly review the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d4: &#8220;\u05e0\u05d8\u05dc \u05e4\u05d8\u05de\u05ea\u05d5 until &#8220;\u05e0\u05e7\u05dc\u05e3&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Write a summary of the four opinions we learnt (2 in Rashi &amp; 2 in Tosfos\/Rosh) as to what part of the Esrog is the \u05e4\u05d9\u05d8\u05d5\u05dd, the \u05e2\u05d5\u05e7\u05e5 and what will disqualify the Esrog if it falls off.<br>List the halachik \u05e0\u05e4\u05e7\u05d0 \u05de\u05d9\u05e0\u05d4 of these four opinions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>The second opinion (\u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05e6\u05d7\u05e7 \u05d4\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9) brought in Rashi holds that an Esrog which the woody piece that&#8217;s embedded inside the bottom of the Esrog falls out is pasul because it&#8217;s considered \u05d7\u05e1\u05e8.<br>The \u05e8\u05d0&#8221;\u05e9 \u05e1&#8217; \u05d8\u05d6 explained that the first opinion (\u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1) brought in Rashi disagrees and holds the Esrog remains Kosher.<br>Why doesn&#8217;t \u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1 disqualify this Esrog for the reason of \u05d7\u05e1\u05e8?<br>Learn \u05d7\u05d9\u05d3\u05d5\u05e9\u05d9 \u05d4\u05d2\u05e8\u05d9&#8221;\u05d6 \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The first opinion (\u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1) brought in Rashi holds if the top protruding piece from the Esrog (what is generally referred to as \u05e4\u05d9\u05d8\u05d5\u05dd) falls off the Esrog is pasul.<br>Why? See the \u05de\u05d2\u05df \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8217;\u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d8 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d6<br>https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14327&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=392<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See the \u05e7\u05e8\u05d1\u05df \u05e0\u05ea\u05e0\u05d0\u05dc \u05d0\u05d5\u05ea \u05e7 who says it&#8217;s not \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=479&amp;hilite=\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=479&amp;hilite=<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the reason of \u05d4\u05d3\u05e8 why is an Esrog that grows without a Pitum kosher?<br>Why does the second opinion (\u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05e6\u05d7\u05e7 \u05d4\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9) brought in Rashi hold it&#8217;s Kosher?<br>Learn \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05d4\u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05db-\u05db\u05d0 who explains the reasoning of the opinions of \u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05e2\u05e7\u05d1 and \u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05e6\u05d7\u05e7 \u05d4\u05dc\u05d5\u05d9 and gives a different explanation than the Brisker Rav.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If the Pitum falls off is the Esrog Pasul just the first day of Sukkos or for the entire Yom Tov?<br>Learn \u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d8 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d4 &#8220;\u05d5\u05d7\u05e1\u05e8 \u05db\u05e9\u05e8 ..\u05d5\u05e0\u05d9\u05d8\u05dc \u05e4\u05d8\u05de\u05ea\u05d5 .. and \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4 \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05dc\u05d5<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=246\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=246<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>What&#8217;s the status of the Esrog if the crown on top of the Pitum falls off?<br>See the \u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 (top line) and the \u05e8\u05df &#8220;\u05ea\u05d0\u05e0\u05d9 \u05e8&#8217; \u05d9\u05e6\u05d7\u05e7 (sixth line from bottom of the Amud)<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=617\n\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=617<br><\/a>How do we conclude lhalacha regarding the falling off of the \u05e4\u05d9\u05d8\u05d5\u05dd and \u05e2\u05d5\u05e7\u05e5?<br>Learn \u05e9\u05d5\u05dc\u05d7\u05df \u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05da \u05e1&#8217; \u05ea\u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d7 \u05e1\u05e2\u05d9\u05e3 \u05d6-\u05d7 and the \u05de\u05e9\u05e0\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e8\u05d5\u05e8\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=236\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=60391&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=236<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Point to Consider:<br><\/strong>Is an Esrog that grows without a Pitum kosher?<br>What if the Pitum falls off while the Esrog is still attached to the tree?<br>Is it preferable to purchase an Esrog with a Pitum?<br>See Sefer \u05d4\u05e2\u05e8\u05d5\u05ea \u05e2\u05dc \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05e1\u05d5\u05db\u05d4 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d4 \u05e2\u05de\u05d5\u05d3 \u05d1 from Hagaon Rav Eliyashuv Zt&#8221;l<br>Learn \u05e8\u05de&#8221;\u05d0 \u05e1&#8217; 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