{"id":28448,"date":"2022-06-30T02:51:42","date_gmt":"2022-06-30T02:51:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28448"},"modified":"2022-06-30T02:51:42","modified_gmt":"2022-06-30T02:51:42","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-carrying-lulav-on-shabbos-daf-42a-10-05-21-3-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-carrying-lulav-on-shabbos-daf-42a-10-05-21-3-2-2-2-2-3-2-2-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Fifth Perek \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9 Rosh Chodesh Tamuz 29, Daf 50b  (06\/29\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburashiurgemarasukkahfifthperek06292022.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1&#8217; \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0: &#8220;\u05d5\u05e8\u05d1\u05e0\u05df<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<br><\/strong>Is the second question of Tosfos exclusively a question on the rabanan who hold \u05e2\u05d9\u05e7\u05e8 \u05e9\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d1\u05e4\u05d4 or even on \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9 \u05d9\u05d5\u05e1\u05d9 \u05d1\u05e8 \u05d9\u05d4\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 who holds \u05e2\u05d9\u05e7\u05e8 \u05e9\u05d9\u05e8\u05d4 \u05d1\u05db\u05dc\u05d9?<br>See \u05de\u05d4\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d0<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=508\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=508<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tosfos \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0. &#8220;\u05e9\u05d0\u05d9\u05e0\u05d5 asked &#8211; We have a rule \u05d0\u05d9\u05df \u05e9\u05d1\u05d5\u05ea \u05d1\u05de\u05e7\u05d3\u05e9 and playing musical instruments are only prohibited from a gezira drabanan so why did the rabanan not allow the playing of the instruments for the \u05e9\u05de\u05d7\u05ea \u05d1\u05d9\u05ea \u05d4\u05e9\u05d5\u05d0\u05d1\u05d4 on Shabbos or Yom Tov? 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