{"id":28433,"date":"2022-06-23T04:01:41","date_gmt":"2022-06-23T04:01:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28433"},"modified":"2022-06-23T04:01:41","modified_gmt":"2022-06-23T04:01:41","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-daf-31b-32a-niktam-rosho-10-04-21-2-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-evening-chabura-daf-31b-32a-niktam-rosho-10-04-21-2-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah &#8211; Lulav Hagazul (Evening Chabura): Wednesday night shiur Sivan 24, Daf 35b (06\/22\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimeveningchaburagemarasukkahthirdperek06222022.MP3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Conclusion of Sugya: &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d4: &#8220;\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc \u05d3\u05de\u05d0\u05d9<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We discussed the machlokes between Rashi and Tosfos why \u05d3\u05de\u05d0\u05d9 is considered \u05d9\u05e9 \u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d9\u05ea\u05e8 \u05d0\u05db\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4<br>whether we need the logic of one being able to be \u05de\u05e4\u05e7\u05d9\u05e8 all his possessions in order to use an Esrog of \u05d3\u05de\u05d0\u05d9.<br>According to &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05d3\u05d0\u05d9 &#8211; because can feed the \u05d3\u05de\u05d0\u05d9 to poor people and soldiers stationed in their town.<br>According to Rashi (based on \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d3: &#8220;\u05d4\u05d0\u05d9 \u05d9\u05e9 \u05d1\u05d4) because one has the ability to eat \u05d3\u05de\u05d0\u05d9 by making all his possessions ownerless.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05de\u05d0\u05d9\u05e8\u05d9 \u05dc\u05d3: &#8220;\u05d5\u05d0\u05dd \u05e0\u05d8\u05dc \u05db\u05e9\u05e8 who discusses what is considered \u05d9\u05e9 \u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d9\u05ea\u05e8 \u05d0\u05db\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=91\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=57966&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=91<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Major Question:<br><\/strong>This seems to be in contradiction to &#8211; \u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d3: &#8220;\u05d1\u05d9\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc\u05d9\u05dd who says an Esrog of Maaser Sheini outside Yerushalayim is pasul.<br>According to Rashi&#8217;s logic it should be kosher as person has the ability to bring the Maasar Sheini to Yerushalayim and eat it there or redeem the Maasar Sheini on to money?<br>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea \u05e2\u05d9\u05d5\u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc: &#8220;\u05d5\u05dc\u05e4\u05e8\u05d5\u05e9 for an answer (starting from \u05d5\u05d9\u05e9 \u05dc\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 &#8211; last few lines of Tosfos)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=3&amp;daf=30b&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=3&amp;daf=30b&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why is an Esrog which was gifted to an individual with the condition that it must be returned considered to be kosher? It does not have a \u05d4\u05d9\u05ea\u05e8 \u05d0\u05db\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4 since the person if he consumes the esrog is unable to return the esrog in the original condition to the owner? See last few lines of \u05e4\u05e8\u05d9 \u05de\u05d2\u05d3\u05d9\u05dd \u05d0\u05d5\u05e8\u05d7 \u05d7\u05d9\u05d9\u05dd \u05e1\u05d9\u05de\u05df \u05ea\u05e8\u05e0&#8221;\u05d7 \u05d0\u05e9\u05dc \u05d0\u05d1\u05e8\u05d4\u05dd \u05e1&#8221;\u05e7 \u05d9\u05d1<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41247&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=350\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=41247&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=350<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn the \u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d4: \u05e2\u05dc\u05ea\u05d4 \u05d7\u05d6\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea&#8221; until \u05e0\u05d5\u05d8\u05dc\u05d4 \u05e4\u05d8\u05de\u05ea\u05d5<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why does a \u05d7\u05d6\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea disqualify an Esrog?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is the reason to disqualify the Esrog different if the \u05d7\u05d6\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea is on majority of the Esrog, minority but multiple spots, or on the \u05d7\u05d5\u05d8\u05dd?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>See &#8220;\u05e8\u05e9&#8221;\u05d9 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d2: &#8220;\u05de\u05e0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 (first line)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Question:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Is this pasul the first day or all the days of Sukkos?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05ea\u05d5\u05e1\u05e4\u05ea &#8220;\u05e2\u05dc\u05ea\u05d4<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Questions:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why does the Mishna need to repeat when \u05d7\u05d6\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea is kosher and when it is Pasul. It should be self understood if \u05d7\u05d6\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea on majority of the area of the Esrog disqualifies than on minority of the Esrog is Kosher?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8&#8221;\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6. \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05e2\u05dc\u05ea\u05d4 \u05d7\u05d6\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea for an explanation<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=616\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=616<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Will multiple \u05d7\u05d6\u05d6\u05d9\u05ea disqualify an Esrog because it is \u05de\u05e0\u05d5\u05de\u05e8 \/ spotted if they are the same color of the Esrog?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn \u05e8&#8221;\u05df \u05d3\u05e3 \u05d9\u05d6: \u05d3\u05e4\u05d9 \u05d4\u05e8\u05d9\u05e3 &#8220;\u05d0\u05d1\u05dc \u05d1\u05e9\u05e0\u05d9\u05dd (in middle of the wide lines) who quotes the opinion of the \u05e8\u05d0\u05d1&#8221;\u05d3<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=617\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/pdfpager.aspx?req=14319&amp;st=&amp;pgnum=617<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Conclusion of Sugya: &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05d3\u05e3 \u05dc\u05d4: &#8220;\u05d5\u05e9\u05dc \u05d3\u05de\u05d0\u05d9 We discussed the machlokes between Rashi and Tosfos why \u05d3\u05de\u05d0\u05d9 is considered \u05d9\u05e9 \u05d1\u05d4 \u05d4\u05d9\u05ea\u05e8 \u05d0\u05db\u05d9\u05dc\u05d4whether we need the logic of one being able to be&#46;&#46;&#46;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,2,5,3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-28433","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-evening-chabura","category-gemara","category-rabbi-baruch-bodenheims-shiurim","category-sukkah"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28433","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=28433"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28433\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":28434,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/28433\/revisions\/28434"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=28433"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=28433"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=28433"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}