{"id":28418,"date":"2022-06-15T20:39:42","date_gmt":"2022-06-15T20:39:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/?p=28418"},"modified":"2022-06-15T20:39:42","modified_gmt":"2022-06-15T20:39:42","slug":"rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-carrying-lulav-on-shabbos-daf-42a-10-05-21-3-2-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ptiweb.org\/onshynbpti\/rabbi-baruch-bodenheim-gemara-sukkah-lulav-hagazul-carrying-lulav-on-shabbos-daf-42a-10-05-21-3-2-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Rabbi Baruch Bodenheim: Gemara Sukkah: Lulav V&#8217;Aravah, \u05d9\u05d5\u05dd \u05e8\u05d1\u05d9\u05e2\u05d9 Sivan 16, Daf 50a (06\/15\/22)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/images.shulcloud.com\/13521\/uploads\/YNB-PTI\/shiurim\/rabbibodenheim\/rabbibodenheimmorningchaburashiurgemarasukkahfourthperek06152022.mp3\"><\/audio><figcaption><strong>Click on Right Side of Player to&nbsp;Download&nbsp;the Shiur<\/strong><br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Quickly review the &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05d8: &#8220;\u05db\u05de\u05e2\u05e9\u05d4\u05d5 \u05d1\u05d7\u05d5\u05dc (two dots on bottom of the Amud) until the two dots on \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Learn &#8220;\u05d2\u05de\u05e8\u05d0 \u05de\u05e0\u05d7\u05d5\u05ea \u05d3\u05e3 \u05e2\u05d7: &#8220;\u05d0\u05d9\u05ea\u05de\u05e8 \u05ea\u05d5\u05d3\u05d4 \u05e9\u05e9\u05d7\u05d8\u05d4 (half way down the wide lines &#8211; beginning of line) until &#8220;\u05e8\u05d1 \u05e4\u05e4\u05d0 \u05d0\u05de\u05e8&#8221;<br><a href=\"https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=30&amp;daf=78b&amp;format=pdf\">https:\/\/hebrewbooks.org\/shas.aspx?mesechta=30&amp;daf=78b&amp;format=pdf<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Major Question:<br><\/strong>There seems to be a direct contradiction in the opinion of \u05d7\u05d6\u05e7\u05d9\u05d4. 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